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fredthe3rd


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As promised on another thread: give me your top 12 Pulp related albums out of this list:

It

Freaks

Masters Of The Universe

Separations

Intro

His N Hers

Different Class

This Is Hardcore

We Love Life

A Heavy Nite With Relaxed Muscle

The Jarvis Cocker Record

"Further Complications"

- that's all the main studio albums and non-album singles compilations. There's 12 of them. You put them in order 1-12 with 1 your favourite and 12 your least favourite. I'll then (beacuse I'm wonderful and generous with my time - and a bit sad) do the maths assigning 12 points to number 1 rating, 11 to number 2 (you get the idea - bit like eurovision) and announce the official ranking amongst decerning Pulp fans.

I know you won't be but try not to be swayed by anyone elses list.

you have until 11/11/11 - that's a Friday. That's a nice easy date for everyone to remember because it's Chanelle from Big Brother's birthday... oh, and all the ones!



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Oh God... my ranking now, today, or is this a Desert Island Discs situation?

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I'm not sure I follow... you've got until 11/11/11 to vote. Every album must placed. It doesn't seem right if I'm first to put my list up though...

plus I'm still deciding!

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ooh - it's just like Eurovision.  Good evening from London....

12 Freaks                           (1)

11 It                               (2)

10 "Further Complications"          (4)

 9 The Jarvis Cocker Record         (4)

 8 A Heavy Nite With Relaxed Muscle (5)

 7 Masters Of The Universe          (5)

 6 Separations                      (8)

 5 Intro                            (10)

 4 We Love Life                     (10)

 3 Different Class                  (10)

 2 This Is Hardcore                (10)

 1 His N Hers                      (10)

Numbers in brackets are the points I think they should get.  Intro may be 5th on my list but it is one of my 6 absolutely essential Pulp records. 



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ArrGee wrote:

Numbers in brackets are the points I think they should get.  Intro may be 5th on my list but it is one of my 6 absolutely essential Pulp records. 

 Oh, good addition ArrGee! I'm going to add scores to my list I've been compiling in Word and copy it across.

And thanks for being the first voter.

Hmmm... rankings and scores opens the door to double bar charts, scattergraphs, means modes and medians...



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12 Masters Of The Universe (3)
11 Freaks (4)
10 It (4)
9 A Heavy Nite With Relaxed Muscle (6)
8 Intro (7)
7 "Further Complications" (8)
6 This Is Hardcore (8)
5 Separations (9)
4 The Jarvis Cocker Record (9)
3 We Love Life (10)
2 Different Class (10)
1 His N Hers (10)


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12. It (5)
11. Freaks (5)
10. A Heavy Nite With Relaxed Muscle (5)
9. Masters Of The Universe (6)
8. Further Complications (6)
7. Separations (7)
6. Intro (7)
5. The Jarvis Cocker Record (8)
4. His N Hers (9)
3. This Is Hardcore (9)
2. We Love Life (9)
1. Different Class (10)

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12. A Heavy Nite with Relaxed Muscle
11. Freaks
10. It
9. Masters of the Universe
8. Further Complications
7. We Love Life
6. The Jarvis Cocker Record
5. Intro
4. Separations
3. This is Hardcore
2. His 'n' Hers
1. Different Class

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12. Further Complications (3)
11. It (5)
10. The Jarvis Cocker Record (5)
9. A Heavy Nite with Relaxed Muscle (5)
8. Masters Of The Universe (7)
7. This Is Hardcore (7)
6. Freaks (7)
5. Separations (8)
4. Different Class (9)
3. His 'n' Hers (9)
2. We Love Life (10)
1. Intro (10)

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fredthe3rd wrote:

Oh, good addition ArrGee! I'm going to add scores to my list I've been compiling in Word and copy it across.

And thanks for being the first voter.

Hmmm... rankings and scores opens the door to double bar charts, scattergraphs, means modes and medians...

 What have I done? smile

BTW I haven't  rated Freaks 1/10, as it has its moments. I was just spreading the marks around a bit.



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But... You have!!

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But... You have!!

 mmm, what I mean is I spread the 1-12 marks around as I didn't think Intro should get much less than His n Hers and should get far more than Freaks. More a relative ranking.



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I think you should give each album the score you think it deserves or give no score at all.

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You've still got plenty of time. But I don't want the thread to disappear onto page two! I like to think you've all been arranging and rearranging lists because it's a great responsibility to get it right. 11/11/11

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I wish the poll was limited to Pulp albums only...it's hard enough to rank just the Pulp albums, I find myself unable to consider the solo/side project albums on the same scale...

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They're all part of the same Jarviverse.

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Rank them on lyrical quality if that's easier.

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4886323 seconds and counting to decide.

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1. Different Class
2. This Is Hardcore
3. His'n'Hers
4. We Love Life
5. Intro
6. Further Complications
7. Separations
8. Jarvis
9. Masters of the Universe
10. A Heavy Nite With...
11. Freaks
12. It



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"A heavy night with freaks" - sounds rough.

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1. His 'N' Hers
2. Intro
3. Separations
4. Different Class
5. Freaks
6. This Is Hardcore
7. Masters Of the Universe
8. We Love Life
9. It
10. A Heavy Nite With...didn't really like it
11. see above
12. " "

Pulp fan, not that into Jarv's solo stuff : )

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So 11 & 12 are the two jarvis solos? But in which order?

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Interestingly, if we were going by the ''deluxe versions'' I think I'd have TIH as first and perhaps HnH second...WLL could even fare the best if we ever get to hear the many lost songs from that era. DC would be lower on a lot of lists I reckon due to the relative lack of extras in terms of b-sides and demos from that era because of its shorter period of creation than the others. It can't be a coincidence that the one album that Pulp got spot-on tracklist wise was the one which had the least amount of time to fret over production and quality of songs.

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I considered including the bonus discs as separate albums in a list of 15 but it just seemed a bit too complicated.

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No, you're right. Pulp had the chance to make multiple masterpieces but fucked-up on tracklist choices :)

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4403512 Seconds

Tick tick tick, that's the sound of you Pulp Poll running out.

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It (7)

Freaks (10)

 Masters Of The Universe (9)

Separations (4)

Intro (5)

His N Hers (1)

Different Class (3)

This Is Hardcore (2)

We Love Life (8)

 A Heavy Nite With Relaxed Muscle (6)

The Jarvis Cocker Record (11)

"Further Complications"(12)



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Because I think 'Further Complications' needs defending a bit. Personally I love it and it was getting this that started me on the long, slow road back to full Pulp love again!

Different Class
Freaks
Separations
We Love Life
Masters Of The Universe
His N Hers
This Is Hardcore
Intro
"Further Complications"
A Heavy Nite With Relaxed Muscle
It
The Jarvis Cocker Record

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Just to make sure: DC's your favourite right? I don't want to make any assumptions in this important matter.

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Fred, that is correct, yes. It has, at various points been Freaks, Separations and DC, but today it is DC.

Although if we were going for 'sides of albums' then it's Separations Side Two all the way!

Btw, I do think you should have included the Venini stuff!

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I'll leave the sides of albums poll to you, although Separations is probably the only other Pulp album with a split personality? In fact the only other such album I can think of full stop is Abbey Road... As for Venini, and I hope you take this in the best possible humour: fuck off!

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It [10]

Freaks [11]

Masters Of The Universe [5]

Separations [4]

Intro [1]

His N Hers [3]

Different Class [7]

This Is Hardcore [2]

We Love Life [6]

A Heavy Nite With Relaxed Muscle [12]

The Jarvis Cocker Record [9]

"Further Complications" [8]

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fredthe3rd wrote:

As for Venini, and I hope you take this in the best possible humour: fuck off!

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Who's that funny little fella?

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42 days peeps!

Isn't this forum quiet today... anyone would think it was summer...



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Hmm, I accept now that two months was a little too long, but I'm sticking to my guns. 

 

If you haven't voted yet, why not?



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I haven't voted yet because IT'S TOO HARD TO CHOOSE!

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Ah, the youth of today... What will we do with you?

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haha, well it's not me who is making the 'what is your 5th favourite song from Separations' threads or whatever biggrin Dammit I like it when Pulp songs aren't ordered!



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Typical woman. A man likes a pie chart.

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don't doubt my love of charts or graphs! but anyway I don't want to be the pretentious get who puts Intro, WLL and Separations before DC or HnH :P

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What's pretentious? They're great albums!

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In any case when I did try to do this, I ended up with a list and realised I missed out Different Class and His N Hers - Dunno why, but I suppose I take it for granted that they're brilliant because they are the most commercial (I am spoilt!). The fact remains that grading Pulp songs / albums is pretty much futile because it will only change the next day!



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  1. His 'n' Hers (10)
  2.  Different Class (10)
  3. Separations (9.5)
  4. Intro (9)
  5. This Is Hardcore (8)
  6. We Love Life (7)
  7. A Heavy Nite With... (6.5)
  8. Further Complications (6.5)
  9. The Jarvis Cocker Record (6)
  10. Freaks (5.5)
  11. It (5)
  12. Masters Of The Universe (4)


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Attaboy!

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fredthe3rd wrote:

"A heavy night with freaks" - sounds rough.

 Sounds like a good Wednesday!



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Okay, I'm going to try. But I'll probably change my mind in an hour & a half.

1 This Is Hardcore (9)
2 Freaks (8.5)
3 His N Hers (8.5)
4 Different Class (8)
5 Further Complications (8)
6 A Heavy Nite (7.5)
7 Seperations (7)
8 Jarvis (7)
9 Intro (7)
10 It (6)
11 MOTU (6)
12 We Love Life (6)*

Everything after the first four are quite interchangable with mood.

*I LOVE the songs on this album, but the recordings themselves leave far, far too much to be desired.


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Now there's a list! If anyone feels an intense desire to edit their list feel...

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1. MOTU
2. Separations
3. This Is Hardcore
4. His n Hers
5. Different Class
6. Intro
7. We Love Life
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Shotoki you rock-oti my world (oki)! BUT! Please include the other three albums or you'll fuck up my numbers.

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Sorry I dont have the Jarvis solo albums so didnt want to include them. I know they are not as good as the Pulp albums though, so you can add them at the end with your ratings if you like.

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How do you know you won't like them if you don't listen to them?

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Well Ive heard bits and pieces of all of them online and they were ok but not on the level of Pulp. I'll listen to them all a few times on Spotify and edit my post afterwards then

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I admire your dedication to the cause.

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something like this...

1. This Is Hardcore
2. Different Class
3. His N Hers
4. Intro
5. Separations
6. We Love Life
7. It
8. Freaks
9. Masters Of The Universe
10. The Jarvis Cocker Record
11. "Further Complications"
12. A Heavy Nite With Relaxed Muscle

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Ok, I felt the time was about right to register my list.

1 Intro
2 His n hers
3 We Love Life
4 Separations
5 This Is Hardcore
6 "Further Complications"
7 Relaxed Muscle
8 Different Class
9 The Jarvis Cocker Record
10 Masters of the Universe
11 Freaks
12 It

Honourable Mentions - I might note that if the bonus discs of the deluxe editions had been valid contenders then the His n Hers bonus disc would be in 2nd place on that list. I also realised that just because the early stuff is at the bottom it doesn't mean I don't like it I just don't listen to it.

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Rightio...

1. This Is Hardcore

2. We Love Life

3. His N Hers

4. Different Class

5. Jarvis

6. Separations

7. Further Complications

8. Intro

9. Freaks

10. Masters Of The Universe

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12. It

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Seven glorious days. Fair warning to Sleeve and Shotoki: incomplete lists cannot be included.

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Dont worry I'm working on it

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12. It
11. Freaks
10. Masters of the Universe

9. Relaxed Muscle
8. Separations
7. Intro
6. We Love Life

5. Jarvis

4. Further Complications

3. His 'N' Hers

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1. Different Class

 



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Why do people hate on Intro? I think it's absolutely brilliant. It seems to consistantly come in the second half of peoples charts. It's beyond me (shakes head and walks away).

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Well it's a tough start with Space, taking half an hour to reach a bad joke followed by a bit of (admittedly brilliant) music, Babies is on HnH, S:SC goes on a bit, IS:ASITP is only 2/3 brilliant 1/3 a cat being strangled. That only leaves you with 5 songs. Barely an album.

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BLASPHEMY - I have decided not to do a list but if I did intro would be very high if not 1

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Also, I'm curious - which 3rd is a cat being strangled?

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After I wrote my post I thought about it and...Intro was the second most popular album for Pulp songs on the recent reunion tour (I Think?). 5 of the 9 tracks were played on the tour. in this poll Intro was my number one. I had to choose it because when I got into Pulp Lipgloss had just come out so the first album I bought by them was Intro. There simply weren't any other options, all I could do was listen to it over and over again. I sometimes try and work out how many times I've heard O.U.; I think it must be in the thousands but it's never enough!

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Am I alone in thinking that Razzmatazz is better played live - I really like it but I always expect it to be faster than it is and so whenever I hear it it feels a bit like it is dragging

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Hmmm, I disagree slightly. I always felt that Razzamtazz was quite clumsy live, certainly when Russell was playing it alone. Bless him that slide guitar part defeats him every time. I also think it misses the echoey piano part in the intro which is often replaced by bass guitar live. Same with Lipgloss, always seemed to cause problems live, but then again that song does have magic in it's DNA.

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I'm shocked no one seems to like MOTU, every song on that album is brilliant. So much better than Intro.



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MOTU... bit heavy.

Jazza, you have the opportunity to show Intro some love and support...

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And show it love and support I shall - Still love razzmatazz despite what I've said

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fredthe3rd wrote:

MOTU... bit heavy.

Thats why its good! Lots of emotion and intensity, and more diverse than anything else they've done. 



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Am I alone in thinking that Razzmatazz is better played live - I really like it but I always expect it to be faster than it is and so whenever I hear it it feels a bit like it is dragging

 

I read that as you contradicting yourself. You prefer the live versions even though it sounds like it drags?

I agree about the dragging it out live, (with crowd participation handclaps at the Pulp shows I saw this summer) and I far prefer the energy of the recorded version. To which producer Phil Vinal contributed considerably (taking Ed Buller's original couple of goes at producing the song before doing it himself and remixing Razzmatazz).

I wonder why Pulp didn't do more recordings with him. His'n'Hers might have had less reverb...Luke Haines, ever the curmudgeon, mentioned in his Britpop memoir how annoyed he was that ''his producer'', Vinall, had worked with Pulp and helped make a great record in Razzmatazz. 



-- Edited by Eamonn on Tuesday 8th of November 2011 01:23:43 AM

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After I wrote my post I thought about it and...Intro was the second most popular album for Pulp songs on the recent reunion tour (I Think?). 5 of the 9 tracks were played on the tour.

 

Four wasn't it? OU, Babies, Razzmatazz and Sheffield Shag City.



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Oh, I thought they did Lyndhurst Grove at a show? I could very well be mistaken.

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Eamonn wrote:
Jazza wrote:

Am I alone in thinking that Razzmatazz is better played live - I really like it but I always expect it to be faster than it is and so whenever I hear it it feels a bit like it is dragging

 

I read that as you contradicting yourself. You prefer the live versions even though it sounds like it drags?

I agree about the dragging it out live, (with crowd participation handclaps at the Pulp shows I saw this summer) and I far prefer the energy of the recorded version. To which producer Phil Vinal contributed considerably (taking Ed Buller's original couple of goes at producing the song before doing it himself and remixing Razzmatazz).

 

 

I can't see any contradictions - when I listen to the record (not live), the opening part before the singing just seems a bit heavy, like it's a bit of a challenge to get to the next beat. Just the opening bars - when the singing starts then it's much more dynamic. If it drags when being played live I didn't notice, probably being too excited to actually care!



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Ah ok, sorry, I thought you meant the other way round.

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ahh, I see the confusion - sorry

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This is an impossible task. Far too many variables to consider, such as my mood at the time and what mood I would like to be in - ie lidicrously high and dancing around the house, wallowing in self-pity, or just having a bit of quiet introspection. The most I can probably say is that Different Class MIGHT be my number 1, as it has the most potential to do all three of the above.

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Well I know which of those three moods I'd prefer to be in...

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If only it were that simple......

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I agree. This is too hard. This is Hardcore is probably my favourite album but I don't think it's their best. And Different Class has such a special place in my heart...but Separations is probaby my second favourite.

I think Jarvis was a lot better than Further Complications though.
I don't think I can properly rank the albums without feeling like I've betrayed one of them.

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This is turning into a male only poll... Did the Suffragettes fight for nothing?

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No they fought for the right to be able to make their own decisions which means not participating if that is their decision! Maybe the ladies are just too frightened to make an actual choice, indecisiveness. I thought it would be difficult too but I actually found it rather fun. I followed an intuitive path and let the records chooes themselves. I found that after I'd finished my exercise in automatic writing that my subconscious mind had made the right decisions. Hallelujah.

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fredthe3rd wrote:

This is turning into a male only poll... Did the Suffragettes fight for nothing?

If you think this will make me want to vote now, it's not working! I reserve the right to waffle, skirt around the issue and not commit to anything at all. 



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Ah, two hours to go... Is that enough time to learn maths?

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Position    Album Total Score       Average Score 
1His 'n' Hers15610.40
2Different Class15110.07
3This Is Hardcore1469.73
4We Love Life1208.00
5Intro1187.87
6Separations1177.80
7Jarvis755.00
8"Further Complications"        744.93
9Masters Of The Universe604.00
10Freaks593.93
11A Heavy Nite With...573.80
12It372.47

Fans of Intro, Separations, Further Complications, Freaks and A Heavy Nite who didn't vote... you could have made the difference...

The averages (mean) are correct to two decimal places and I suspect not particularly interesting to anyone. 



-- Edited by fredthe3rd on Friday 11th of November 2011 12:24:50 PM

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Did you include mine? I updated it with the others

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Are you sure? It's still got nine albums on your post. I might do a pulp only ranking but not today.

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Sorry it wont let me edit my post! Keeps going back to the original. Heres the last 3:
10. Further Complications
11. Jarvis
12. Relaxed Muscle

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I'll update it soon-ish.

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Cheers :) MOTU deserves some credit

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I haven't included Sleeve either because I didn't know what order s/he wanted the solo jobbies in.

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Debatable... Although I am tempted to go back to it to see why some people love it. One trend I noticed was the amount of times TIH was second in peoples lists. If there's demand I'll be happy to update the figures from time to time if new people submit lists.

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12. We love life 11. MotU 10. JC Solo 9. It 8. FC 7. Heavy night... 6. TIH 5. Freaks 4. Separations 3. DC 2. HnH 1. Intro

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MOTU is one of those albums that takes a long time to get into, but once you do it never gets boring. Its challenging but there's so much depth. Freaks has some of the greatest Pulp songs too (Being Followed Home) but as an album doesnt work as well for me. Fairground and Never Ending Story are pretty uncomfortable to listen to.

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Believe me, I've listened to MOTU way more times than a lot of albums I do like, just because it's Pulp. It's Jarvis and FC that need the love. Big Julie and INeverSIWDeep are two of the best songs he's done, and plenty of other songs on both albums are up there too.

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But...it's still 11/11/11 in the U.S.

1. His n Hers (10)
2. Different Class (10)
3. Intro (10)
4. Separations (9)
5. This is Hardcore (9)
6. We Love Life (7)
7. Masters of the Universe (7)
8. Freaks (6)
9. It (5)
10. The Jarvis Cocker Record (5)
11. Further Complications (5)
12. A Heavy Nite (5)


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All you late comers putting WLL bottom and It higher than TJCR and FC... Maybe I won't update it!

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