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Although he did sell out with that Ali G remix of Help The Aged!

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fredthe3rd wrote:

Although he did sell out with that Ali G remix of Help The Aged!


 Ha! that was class!



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I agree with Holden's comment. Definitely makes me feel a bit pimped out hearing one of my favourite songs used in an ad. Even worse, seeing someone you respect and admire appear in person in an ad. Although I will forgive Jarvis almost anything, and maybe it's easier to hold a strong moral stance on the issue when it's highly unlikely you're ever gonna be approached with such an offer yourself.

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This reminds me of that clip on youtube of an interview with Steve and Jarvis from circa 1991 and Jarvis bemoaning the type of people who work for ''the man'' and are happy to get the perks that come their way, the company car was his example, I think. ''You keep wanting to say to them 'You're not really into all that, are you?' But they are...'' was his bemused response. A few years later, big brands throwing themselves at you, easy for principles to go out the window I suppose.

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Holden wrote:

I just feel that licensing cheapens the music. What was once an expression of art just becomes devalued when it's used as a background soundtrack for pushing useless product onto a mass audience. It's heartbreaking when you can't listen to a song that had a real personal impact on you without thinking of Toyota Corolla or Depend Adult Undergarments or whatever. Or that someone you really admired is suddenly more concerned about pimping his own image and making a quick buck than about the music. Whatever money you'd make, whatever commercial exposure you'd aquire wouldn't outweigh the respect you lost from your devoted fanbase.


I'm not discounting your opinion, but I disagree that licensing necessarily equals cheapened/devalued music; I try to look at things from the other perspective.  Artists should and probably do consider fans' opinions when they decide whether to license their music, but it seems like it's getting increasingly difficult for bands to survive these days (with the slow death of retail, radio, sonic quality, etc.), and licensing allows a band/artist the opportunity to support themselves just a little bit longer and maybe even increase their fanbase.  Just because they are creating art doesn't mean they don't still have to consider how to support themselves and their families.  If a song means something to me, I try not to let other people's opinions on that song and/or other uses of that song affect how I feel about it, it's still the same song, and whatever memories or emotions it evoked in me are still there (hopefully)--I will admit to feeling some brief pangs of pain from hearing some meaningful tracks used in questionable ways in the media, but I haven't yet heard the use that ultimately devalues a song to me.  Most musicians' careers are very short in relation to the years of struggle they often have to endure, and if they can make some money in that short period (in my opinion only endorsing products they personally believe in) to extend their careers for however long they can survive, I think it's great. 

I choose to believe that Russell left the band because "it wasn't creatively rewarding".  I'm sure it was very trying to be around Jarvis and his antics back then, especially for someone like Russell, but you're always going to be annoyed by people around you if you're around them long enough.  I'll leave it at that before I get all philosophical...  yawn.gif



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I got into Lou Reed and The Beatles through those BBC trailers from the 90's so it's not all bad I guess.


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"and that he felt revulsion that one of the last shows he played was some "corporate gig playing for bored executives.""

Details Date: 24 August 1996 Event: Holsten Pils Concert (private event) Venue: Teatre Grec Ampitheatre Location: Barcelona
Other band: Leftfield

Eek!

I never had a problem with Jarvis advertising the things he advertises. I think his approach was like that of John Peel - "I'd never advertise anything I don't use myself".

Plus I quite like Johnny Rotten's butter adverts. He's still irreverant and as much as a ridiculous characature as he ever was. That said, the Iggy Pop ones make me wince. Especially given the fact that Swiftcover won't actually insure musicians!!

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Being a musician is a job with an inconsistent and often emaciated (after record companies and shops have had their share) payout. If you can get a few grand from licensing etc. you'd be daft not to do it, unless those responsible were doing something offensive with your work. It also means that you can carry on producing music. With John Lydon- sod it. Fair play to him. It's not as if the Pistols were against money- that was their ultimate goal. The Iggy Pop ones are bad because they're so grotesquely stupid.

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I don't mind the Iggy ones really... surely it was a lower point for his dignity in 1974 or whenever when he was living rough on Sunset Boulevard in a pool of his own puke?

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Sleeve wrote:

With John Lydon- sod it. Fair play to him. It's not as if the Pistols were against money- that was their ultimate goal.


Ugh. I've pretty much lost all respect for Johnny at this point, but let's not whitewash the past completely. The Sex Pistols went out of their way to alienate everyone - from their management, their countless record labels, the media, their fans - sabotaging almost every oppourtunity they would have had to have a lucrative career in the music industry. And why else would Johnny have left the band at the height of their fame to start a completely unmarketable, avante-garde, no-wave band? (seriously - listen to Metal Box) Malcolm McLaren? Sure, he was scum and just wanted to profit off the others from day one. But even I'm not so cynical as to write off the founders of the punk movement as just some kind of crude cash-in.

Twiggy - yeah, I don't think any of us can comment exactly as to why Russell left, that's why I tried to quote his remarks directly rather than just speculating. And I do see your point about it becoming increasingly difficult for a lot of bands to provide for themselves these days...



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I wouldn't call the Pistols the founders of punk. I'm very familiar with Pil and Mclaren wasn't 'scum'.

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