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Well, let's think... Fire can't release "Everybody's Problem" and "There Was" because they don't own them. I'm assuming that the same goes for all the really early stuff ("Sink or Swim", "Heat of the Day" and so forth) and the FON demos. I don't want to piss on anyone's bonfire, but I can't see there being that much to shout about. Maybe "Maureen" will finally see the light of day or there are live tapes that exist in the archives that they will release...



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Could it just be something to do with sleeve notes? Maybe they'll be a bit more in depth.

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Presumably, for them to have access to any demo recordings and so on, Jarvis would have had to have mellowed alot towards them in order to do a deal.

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Yeah, obviously any of those unreleased demo sessions would depend on the band's (and Tony Perrin for the 'It' stuff) say so.
Though the fact that they are going to do proper remasters suggests a complete rethink of the project took place, hopefully with Pulp involved.

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Here's hoping that maybe even Fire have grown weary of just wheeling out the same old stuff over and over again.

The fact that they are actually going to have to bother making whole new CDs (the "SFIRE" releases in the slipcases were just repressings) is a good sign.

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I wonder how many beers it'll take to loosen Mark's tongue...

Let's hope that, at the very least, there is some Pulp involvement going on here...!

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Perhaps Sturdy was asking a rhetorical question and just accidentally clicked an emoticon...? :-/

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Ok ok ok... I don't actually know all that much more than the rest of you concerning the final form that these reissues will take. I know they won't be quite as underwhelming as they initially looked. Which of course does little more than place them somewhere on a sliding scale between "still quite underwhelming" and "unbelievably amazing". But I can definitely confirm that Something Is Afoot.

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Oh, and Stephen - I'd say approximately four beers.

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As long as they don't have the "Please Don't Worry (Demo)" I found online last night and got all excited about until I realised that someone had just turned the bass and 'fuzziness' up on the Peel Session...

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(Appropriate topic bumped as suggested)

I'm fairly sure the extra It stuff is outtakes from the main album sessions, which means Please Don't Worry will be a previously unheard version. I heard this version once, many years ago, courtesy of Wayne Furniss, along with the alt mix of Blue Girls. The latter isn't massively different, the main difference being a different vocal take and less reverb on the piano. Please Don't Worry obviously has a very different sound from the Peel version.

The interesting one is Sink or Swim, as that one wasn't on Wayne's pre-release tape of the sessions and Jarvis has always said it was left unmixed. If it's that version, I wonder if that means they had access to the multitrack tapes to mix it from scratch. If so, that's some pretty deep vault-digging. Hopefully there'll be some more treats to come!

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Yeah, I was looking through Truth And Beauty and Pulpwiki for info on Sink Or Swim... It was originally demoed in August 1982 under the title Taking The Plunge. Boats And Trains is the only song from this session that appeared on 'It'. Sickly Grin appeared a decade later on the Caff records limited release of My Legendary Girlfriend. The remaining song, The Heat Of The Day is unreleased (described by Sturdy as vaguely Velvet Underground like - indicating the demos from this session still exist - or did in the early 00's...though he could be going off a 20 odd year recollection from David Hinkler).  As you say though Mark, Sink or Swim is likely to come from the main album sessions.

Your book mentions the original Blue Girls being quite differen - guitar, faster and louder (subsequently wiped apparently) - it's arrangement on piano courtesy of Peter Boam, came later. Presumably the alternate version will be quite similar to the definitive one.

The one demo session of unreleased songs from the early days that looks likely to remain out of reach is the recording made in Rotherham in spring '82 http://www.pulpwiki.net/Pulp/RotherhamDemo 
Again Truth and Beauty gives good descriptions of the fours songs, quoting some lyrics so they presumably exist somewhere and maybe will see the light of day at some stage.

A different group with a different sound wrote and recorded this session to that which was involved in the 'It' sessions barely six months later so in fairness to Fire, we can't expect much more on the 'It' reissue.

So does Fire's digging for 'It' give any hope for further treasures on the 'Freaks' and 'Separations' reissues?

Well, there were plenty of the nascent Pulp #3 sessions made during 1984 with many songs that have never seen official release though have been kindly circulated thanks to John Nicholls and possibly Mark and others over the years. Maureen alone fully deserves a proper remix/master. Going by 'It', Fire may just be releasing whatever was recorded during official album sessions, (to avoid ownership claims if these releases are without Pulp's involvement as is likely) and they do have all the b-sides from Little Girl/Dogs Are Everywhere/They Suffocate At Night/Master Of The Universe to bulk-up the Freaks reissue so unfortunately it looks likely that the unreleased Sudan Gerri songs among others will remain so (officially).

The reissue of Separations would be improved no end with the inclusion of the aborted Death Come To Town single. That song and Rattlesnake should of course have been a crucial part of the Pulp story. These of course, were recorded at FON with no input from Fire with whom things had soured and so will have no claim on these recordings. A real shame that neither song are ever likely to get a proper release. Yeah Death Goes To The Disco is included but it's a bit shit really, isn't it? That aside, there was a demo session for much of the songs on Separations prior to the album sessions proper http://www.pulpwiki.net/Pulp/TheDemo - it would be good if they threw these on for curiousity sake and to make the release more enticing. The only possible unreleased song from the Separations session is Going Back To Find Her. Possibly sans vocal but again, in any form, intriguing for curio value (which is what these reissues are partly about, after the remastering) alone.

Who knows if there are other undocumented sessions from these years - crucially Fire-financed sessions, as they I imagine, are the only ones that can be culled for the reissues.
Maybe there'll be a couple of more surprises - who knew a couple of months ago that footage from a mid-80's gig existed with a hitherto undocumented song, The Day That Never Happened?!



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I heard the Spice and Rotherham demos courtesy of Wayne Furniss, who kept a lot of tapes from his time in the band. He was happy for me to listen to them at his house (and scribble copious notes), but wouldn't let me have copies!

I'm pretty sure Pulp are involved with these reissues - I don't think Fire would have access to the It outtakes otherwise. So in terms of other stuff that could be included, the sky's the limit potentially.

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Sturdy wrote:

I'm pretty sure Pulp are involved with these reissues - I don't think Fire would have access to the It outtakes otherwise. So in terms of other stuff that could be included, the sky's the limit potentially.


 If that's the case, I'm hoping that some nice new liner-notes from Jarvis might be included then.



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Unless they're carefully hidden, the web pages for Freaks and Separations have been taken down from the Fire website: the only re-issue currently listed is It.

I very much hope that the track listings for the next 2 CDs are being revised, to match the exciting 'new' old tracks added to It!



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Sturdy wrote:

I heard the Spice and Rotherham demos courtesy of Wayne Furniss, who kept a lot of tapes from his time in the band. He was happy for me to listen to them at his house (and scribble copious notes), but wouldn't let me have copies!.


 I hope he's got a fire proof safe in his house, assuming there's no other copies it could be a disaster if the worst were to happen!



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I've just read that back and it sounds like a thinly veiled threat...

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"I hope he's got a fire proof safe"

real fire or fire the record label? smile



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So, regarding "Sink Or Swim", going by Jarvis' comments, it was left unmixed. I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to recording music but I assume "unmixed" means that each part was recorded (i.e. the instruments and the vocals) but they weren't stuck together to form the track. Does this mean that they will be mixing it before they release it?



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Yeah, either that or they've found a rough mix from the time that's good enough.

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Wouldn't it be rather neat if Fire released a single or two to promote these albums?

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superchob wrote:

Wouldn't it be rather neat if Fire released a single or two to promote these albums?


 Singles?!!!??! What century are you living in grandad?



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Umm... smily face.

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I sent Fire an email asking if Freaks and Separations are still going to be released the same day as It (while also nudging them in the direction of the pulpwiki recording sessions page just in case...) as their details aren't currently on the site.

In their reply they said:

''Some very useful points raised. To answer your question though, they have been removed simply because we are finalising details. As soon as release details are confirmed we will make them live again. We hope to release all three together, but this may or may not happen. Sorry I cant be more exact.''


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Coooool!

That was a joke by the way, I bought a DoomStarks single just last week, although admittedly a download...

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