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Sturdy


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Hmmm... well, at least we have Tunnel and Manon added onto Freaks now. There's also some nice cuttings from the archives on the Fire site, some of which I hadn't seen before.

As for the artwork, the reason they've re-done it (and indeed the whole reason that these reissues are being done) is that the old CDs are now out of stock, and Fire no longer use plastic packaging for environmental reasons. Hence the new digipaks. Presumably the full artwork will be inside the packaging somewhere, and the vinyl is apparently going to be faithful to the originals.

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sorry perhaps im being a bit thick but why does that mean that the artwork needs to be altered?

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Yeah, I think it's quite a shame they changed the 'Pulp' logo on the 'It' cover...

And they dropped 2 songs from Masters Of The Universe on the Freaks bonus CD (and I guess MOTU won't be reissued).

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yeah i agree. i think that it ruins the individuality of each album by making all 3 the same layout and font (and i most definitely do not like the new separations cover!)

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Possibly the most underwhelming re-release ever.   I'd love to get these in 12" vinyl, but given the ropey covers and the total lack of new material makes these totally dispensible. 

Such a shame that Fire have the rights to this material, it has been re-hashed so badly down the years and will continue to be.

Where is the We Love Life re-issue?



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LeoVK wrote:

Double LP of "Freaks" would be quite nice I guess...nothing new here though. Suppose I had better buy them all anyway though. *sigh* ;)

 

Don't buy them!  That's what they want you to do.  Resist.  Maybe then Fire will realise Dobbin is dead and sell the rights onto a more sympathetic curator.

 



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It could be so nice if Sheffield Vision could release some compilation with all the gems that can be found in the early days Pulp (as thay started with the beat is the law DVD). They must have access to some live recordings or unreleased demos.
This would just be more decent than the Fire bonus CD !

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alphi wrote:

It could be so nice if Sheffield Vision could release some compilation with all the gems that can be found in the early days Pulp (as thay started with the beat is the law DVD). They must have access to some live recordings or unreleased demos.
This would just be more decent than the Fire bonus CD !

 

 This would be brilliant. Unfortunately the legal issues / costs involved heavily outweigh the potential profits from such a project. And the band would all need to be persuaded too, which is perhaps even less likely. Bootlegs will just have to do for the forseeable future.



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LeoVK wrote:

Not quite sure why they have felt the need to mess around with the artwork...you can't even see Jarvis on the cover of Freaks now.



-- Edited by LeoVK on Thursday 9th of June 2011 12:45:03 PM

 

 Because they are absolute fucking idiots!



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Word on the street is that these releases are in severe danger of becoming much more interesting... watch this space.

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I do actually agree with Fuss Free that at least Fire are keeping them in circulation and I'd rather they did this than do another compilation. I was just listening to the tracks on the Fire website. Are we sure they haven't retouched the mix a bit. Freaks seems to sound a lot better than I remember. Although saying that I haven't listened to it for donkeys years.

Come on then Mr Sturdy... spill the beans!

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So besides the obvious, what exactly do Fire own the rights to? I'm assuming everything from the "Bad Maureen" demos to the "Countdown" session but is there anything else that we don't know about?



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I don't think they actually own the rights to anything they didn't release. All those 1984 demos were done by Pulp under their own steam, and pre-date the Fire contract anyway, so I don't think they'd have a claim on them. There may be some odds and sods from the Freaks/Separations period, but I'm not sure what, if anything.

Weed - that's more or less as much as I know for the time being. There'll be more news when there is some!

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Nah...if they owned ANYTHING else, they would have released them by now for sure.

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I'm not sure about that. I think Fire are actually more conscientious than people give them credit for: whenever I've had conversations with them about releasing archive stuff, they've said they wouldn't be willing to put out anything 'new' without the band's permission.

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Sturdy wrote:

I'm not sure about that. I think Fire are actually more conscientious than people give them credit for: whenever I've had conversations with them about releasing archive stuff, they've said they wouldn't be willing to put out anything 'new' without the band's permission.

I think the problem is that they somehow contrived 7 (at least) compilation albums out of less than 4 LPs worth of material.   

  • On Fire
  • Goes To The Disco
  • Countdown (1992-1983)
  • Master of The Universe
  • Primal
  • Pulp It Up
  • Freshly Squeezed... the Early Years


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With the exception of Masters of the Universe (which was a completely valid release in my opinion), none of those compilations were put out by Fire. Various other labels paid Fire to license the tracks to them, which is completely normal practice for small independent labels. Yes, the releases in question were pointless pieces of crap (maybe Countdown or Primal would stand up as a useful rundown of the pre-Island years), but equally you don't have to buy them...

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With the exception of Masters of the Universe (which was a completely valid release in my opinion), none of those compilations were put out by Fire. Various other labels paid Fire to license the tracks to them, which is completely normal practice for small independent labels. Yes, the releases in question were pointless pieces of crap (maybe Countdown or Primal would stand up as a useful rundown of the pre-Island years), but equally you don't have to buy them...

Masters of the Universe was a great release (The Fire Intro), but the others were just teasing you with odd tracks that you didn't have.  I got Countdown (which was on Fire - FIRECD68) as it had the Countdown tracks and was the first.  But as each of the others came out,  they all seemed pretty pointless and even if not on Fire themselves I sense that is why people don't think they are conscientous.

As much as I would like vinyl copies, I won't be buying them.  I'll save my pennies for the eventual re-issue of the Island LPs on vinyl (surely it will happen one day).

 



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I'll be buying the vinyls, even tho' I've often stated my distaste for Fire...reading Sturdy's recent comments perhaps unfairly.
In fact, I'd have much prefered MOTU to be reissued on vinyl than an incomplete collection of tracks being tacked onto the end of x album.
Particularly as Separations & the Countdown single version don't at all match sounds in my opinion.

I agree MOTU was an essential release - it would have been about a decade before I got to hear all those songs without it.

Countdown is a great compilation, despite Jarvis' dislike of it, but if only Death Comes To Town had been available instead of the dire (just my opinion, guys!) remix Death Goes To The Disco.
Pulp Goes To The Disco was useful for me as at the time it was far cheaper than the MLG single, & I needed the tracks...


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I probably won't be buying them unless the sound quality is a lot better. The new Freaks sounds like a good idea though, its not incomplete. There's no need to have Master of the Universe and They Suffocate at Night on the second disc when they are already on Freaks. And I agree the new covers are pretty terrible. Maybe it would have been better to have the regular 7" mix of Countdown on Separations rather than the extended mix, that one drags a bit.

Countdown (the album) was a great introduction to early Pulp, it slowly eases you into it by starting with the more modern stuff, and they did really well choosing all the most accessible tracks from each album. I would have run a mile if Fairground was my first experience.

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Funny how Fire Records decides to cash in and yet they don't bother remastering the three albums. Surely they would see higher sales if the albums were all remastered?

It's crazy that no demos, outtakes, etc, are being included. I, for one, won't be buying these reissues.

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Just noticed on Fire's site that they've been put back a month to September (indeed, like the Universal reissues five years ago as I recall).
Hopefully this is to allow for more time to sort out any extra content that will be added, as Master Sturdy hinted at.

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wow, what a waste of a reissue.. I was excited when I heard about this at first, until I found out Fire was behind it disbelief



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Freaks is your second favourite Pulp album? For real??



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Did anything ever come of the Fire CD single reissues that were advertised on their website a couple of years back?

I'm guessing they never materialised because they aren't on the Fire website now and I've never seen any on Ebay or anything like that...



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