they had an electric fire on stage and Jarvis was saying that if we are too cold he can put the heat up and to reach out and warm our hands on the fire

he said they'd put another bar on the fire didn't he?
nice touch

spent the last few days trying to recover. My feet are still killing me from walking around London for 3 days having not really recovered from walking around Glastonbury. We nearly got to Bar Italia afterwards but by the time we got to Piccadilly it was about 11:40 and we were just so tired we ended up jumping in a taxi. Oh well back to work and reality today. Happy memories all round... (Btw, yeah it is me who knows Ross from outside in the real world!)

I am the same mate, still tired. I am still dehydrated!  I was running out of money so I walked instead of taking the tube. 

Oh God, I just remembered Huey Morgan's "impression" of Jarvis in bad wig. Tripe anyone?

I did a sound recording of the entire concert and listening over it isnt bad quality either, any ideas of websites that I could share an hour and a half recording?

weener wrote:

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http://thequietus.com/articles/06542-pulp-live-review

(apologies if it's already been listed on here)

-- Edited by weener on Wednesday 6th of July 2011 04:56:06 PM

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What a brilliant review! Most perceptive one I've read.

Best review yet:
http://theoraclewithjessicaandelizabeth.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/we-report-from-wi-fi-festival/

Bort wrote:

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Best review yet:
http://theoraclewithjessicaandelizabeth.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/we-report-from-wi-fi-festival/

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 Wi-Fi 

Sturdy wrote:

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Eamonn wrote:

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Actually, that got me thinking - I've just checked to see if Russell has a writing credit for on TIH for Help The Aged. He doesn't which is a bit odd considering it was written on tour in '96.

Maybe Jarvis wrote it but (in Pulp democratic fashion) credited the whole band as it's line-up then was, once it finally came out? Otherwise it seems a bit strange that all other members of Pulp except Russell had a hand in writing it together.
Sturdy?

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Songwriting credits are a slippery thing to start with, and the one-size-fits-all group writing credit is inevitably even more so. Obviously it doesn't mean that every member of the band wrote one-sixth (or one-fifth) of the music on every single thing they've ever done. There might be some that came about that way, give or take; there are definitely some that one or two members of the band pretty much cooked up on their own, the shared credit being a cosmetic gesture; I'm sure there will be some where it might be a Jarvis composition that nonetheless has a guitar/keyboard/bass/violin part that's become so much a part of the song that the person who came up with it deserves a credit, even though they didn't 'write' the song as such; and there'll doubtless be plenty of songs that either came out of a jam type situation or had such a protracted genesis that it's ultimately impossible to say who actually wrote it.

Help the Aged then - yes, it apparently came out of soundcheck noodling during the '96 tour, and if Russell had still been in the band when it was released it would presumably have been credited to all six members as you'd expect. However, he's confirmed himself that he didn't really contribute to the writing of that particular song (he wrote a guitar part which was nothing special and doesn't feature on the recording - see if you can spot it on the V96 recording where he's playing guitar alongside both Mark and Antony Genn - I can't!), so presumably when the split came it was part of the agreement that he wouldn't get a credit on either that or Cocaine Socialism (which was also started around the same time). If he'd had an active part in writing either song then presumably things would be different and he'd have a songwriting credit.

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This is pretty interesting, and seems completely plausible. Also- have there actually been any interviews or anything where a member of Pulp have said "we split all the money evenly between each member"- cause I'm constantly reading in articles that this is what Pulp did, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence other than every band member being credited on the sleeve.

I did a music business course last year, and a music publisher told us that very, very few bands actually split everything when it comes to songwriting- the way something is credited on the sleeve needs have no relation to where the money goes. For a start, lyrics are counted as 50% of a song, so that would all go to Jarvis. Also apparently lots of bands split the rest between whoever happens to be in the band at the current time, but if someone leaves or the band ceases to exist then it reverts back to the original songwriters (eg. Jarvis and Candida for bad cover version), with the sleeve credits just being the way that the band wants to represent themselves. I'm not saying this is the case with Pulp or anything, it's just interesting, I thought.

calumlynn wrote:

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... a music publisher told us that very, very few bands actually split everything when it comes to songwriting- the way something is credited on the sleeve needs have no relation to where the money goes. For a start, lyrics are counted as 50% of a song, so that would all go to Jarvis. Also apparently lots of bands split the rest between whoever happens to be in the band at the current time

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I have seen in the tab books that the songs are generally credited Words by Cocker, Music by Pulp (often broke down by individual members).

I find it odd that 50% goes on the lyrics.  No wonder other members of a band get hacked off

 

ArrGee wrote:

I find it odd that 50% goes on the lyrics.  No wonder other members of a band get hacked off

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I know what you mean, in a band like, I dunno Coldplay or something, where the lyrics are just total blandness it must be a real gutter, but I think with Pulp it's fair enough- the lyrics are at least 50% of what makes the band!! And Jarvis has written enough lyrics over the years, too...