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Sturdy


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Answer this with total honesty please!

I'm trying to guage how much interest there would be in a new edition of Truth & Beauty. I've always thought I might return to it at some point, and if there's going to be a revival of interest in Pulp next year off the back of all this business, then I think this would be the time.

If it were to happen, I'd ideally like to do something beyond the 'sticking an extra chapter on the end' route. My preference would be a substantially revised version with loads of extra info, different photos, new interviews with people I missed the first time round, and maybe even (should I be able to persuade them this time) some more input from the band themselves. Not that I think the existing book's rubbish or anything, but I think there's scope for a revised version to really add something worthwhile.

For it to happen though, I'd need to make a convincing case to my publishers that enough people would buy such a thing. So it's over for you lot really. If you brought Truth & Beauty first time round, would you want to fork out again for version 2.0? Indeed, are there any of you who didn't buy it first time round who might go for something like this?

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If it's significantly updated then yes, certainly.
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Yes, I'd definately buy it. Truth and Beauty was superb, and even only a little extra second time around would make me part with my money.

Also, if Jarvis can cash in why can't you?

Joking of course, I remember you were considering this anyway before all the reunion news came out, and I don't think Pulp are just cashing in anyhow.



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Yup... I'd be buying

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I read it twice I think. Or something like 70% of it twice. So yeah.

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Absoloutely. Though if you want to get it out for next summer you'll have to move quickly.

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I would totally buy an updated version.

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Yes, I'd definitely buy it.

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For sure. If you can get a hold of some rare, never seen before photos, that would be a bonus.



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I would definately buy an updated version of it. I even took it to the UK with me this year and then onto Sheffield (and found Banks Pottery shop - that and with a little help from Google....Catcliffe is a L O N G way from Sydney...)

anyhow - could it include colour photographs? - Ive always thought that someone should put a Pulp visual respective together - they were always such a photogenic band - especially all those art directed shots from around TIH....all the records and the posters....

But any new info concerning my fav ever band - will happily purchase!

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I'm with James - if there's a significant update, I'll happily buy again.

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I definitely would

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Thanks for the support everyone. This is all very encouraging!

Let's try a different tack: would anyone definitely NOT buy it?

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I'd buy it. I've been planning on re-reading it for some time now - I'd happily await a revised version to do so.

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I'd buy it.

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I thought that your book was excellent. To me it felt that it was an official pulp product. I would definitely buy an updated version.

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Sturdy wrote:

I'd ideally like to do something beyond the 'sticking an extra chapter on the end' route. My preference would be a substantially revised version with loads of extra info, different photos, new interviews with people I missed the first time round, and maybe even (should I be able to persuade them this time) some more input from the band themselves. Not that I think the existing book's rubbish or anything, but I think there's scope for a revised version to really add something worthwhile.

For it to happen though, I'd need to make a convincing case to my publishers that enough people would buy such a thing. So it's over for you lot really. If you brought Truth & Beauty first time round, would you want to fork out again for version 2.0? Indeed, are there any of you who didn't buy it first time round who might go for something like this?

If it is as you say then yes I would.

 



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Yeah I'd absolutely buy it. I thought it was a smashing book, really well written, and didn't just kiss the arse of the band like so many band biographies seem to do (the belle and sebatsian one comes to mind).

The only bit that I felt let me down in the original version was that during the Different Class/megastardom era it didn't really tell me anything that I didn't know, wasn't really in depth enough or really give a feel of what it was like to be in Pulp at that time, especially compared to the earlier chapters.

More photos would be great, too. How much band input was there in the first book? Do you think you could ever get Jarvis to give and interview?

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I would certainly buy a revised version - and I think it should include a chapter or two dedicated to Jarvis' solo albums...

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Question number 2: would you be interested in a new edition where the bulk of the book was the same, but with an extra chapter or two bolted on to the end to bring things up to date? (Ie basically covering Relaxed Muscle, Jarvis solo, the reunion, and everyone else's bits and bobs.)

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I personally would be more inclined to buy a revised edition. Not saying I definitely wouldn't buy one with the additional chapters, but I'd be a bit less interested.

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I'd like an extra chapter. Makes scene with the reunion coming up.

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Obviously I'd prefer the revamped method you mentioned in your opening post (ideally with new interviews from Russell/Mark/Candida - it wouldn't be the end of the world if you couldn't get Jarvis, as there's a mountain of quotes from him that you can lift) rather than just sticking on an extra couple of chapters, but regardless I'd buy it. Just make it hardback please :)

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I would be interested in a revised edition, mainly because my friend has borrowed the first edition and I am unlikely to get it back. As for content, a couple of chapters updating the original book would be great. Though I personally have very little interest Relaxed Muscle! Maybe some additions to the original copy if you have made some discoveries since the first edition.

Also, there is a new generation of Pulp fans who have discovered Pulp through Jarvis's solo stuff. My sister is coming to see Pulp at Wireless after being impressed by Jarvis at Glasto and buying both his albums. Perhaps you could pitch the new book at them?

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I'd imagine that in order to make it worth his while and to make the book "marketable" poor old Mr Sturdy would have to update all the old stuff then write another chapter to bring it up to the present day .... and then get it on the shelves for late 2011ish

A lot of work and a very mean task to set himself!

I will give him all the support i can give!



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yes I would definitely want and updated edition, sadly Ive only read snippets of the book online as I was never able to get a physical copy of it in New York

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I've never read it and I would absolutely buy a revised edition.

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Sturdy wrote:

Question number 2: would you be interested in a new edition where the bulk of the book was the same, but with an extra chapter or two bolted on to the end to bring things up to date? (Ie basically covering Relaxed Muscle, Jarvis solo, the reunion, and everyone else's bits and bobs.)


Less interested, but I would buy it because I would buy anything that is even a little better.  I must have bought about 10 histories of Arsenal in the last 25 years with very little difference, so I'm sure I'd buy this.

 



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A Gooner eh?

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Could we part exchange it for the first edition?

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Have been re-reading this book, and I had to laugh at a horrible typo on page 254 that opines about Common People: "there could simply have been no excuse for this record to be universally loved." I assume there's a big NOT missing somewhere in that sentence?


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Yeah, Mark. Sort it out FFS. It has to be re-released for that error alone.

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There are probably worse howlers in there, but I'm not about to draw attention to them!

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Thought I might just bump this thread seeing as there are a few more people on the board these days. My publishers don't seem to think there's enough market for a fully revised edition. Prove them wrong!

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I was going to buy the first edition anyway when I got round to it but a revised one is even better!

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You already know my thoughts on this, Mark.

But I was thinking, even if your publishers didn't think it worthwhile rereleasing it with new info/interviews, then why not consider rereleasing it yourself? PDF it on a CD for £10 or something...? I'd certainly buy a new version, no matter what format it came in.

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Ditto.

Omnibus don't even appear to have the original Truth And Beauty on their website. Help yourselves for God sake!

What number would it need to sell to break even - less than a thousand? I think you said before that the original sold 3,000 approx though presumably over a 5+ year timescale. They should at least see how much the Hatherley fella sells of his to gauge demand (though they are different beasts in angle, the subject is the same).

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It's sold closer to 5,000 now - hence being officially out of print at the moment, which is probably why Omnibus aren't bothering to mention it on their site.

Releasing it myself - I don't think I could legally do a new version of the book that way, but it has crossed my mind that I could do an entirely new book in quite a different format, with minimal cross-over with the previous one (and obviously quite a bit shorter). The thing about self-publishing though, is I'm not sure I can be arsed! Writing a book is much easier when someone else is providing (a) enough money for you to eat while you're writing it, and (b) a deadline so there's a vague possibility of finishing the damn thing!

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5,000 and out of print...'kin 'ell, isn't that enough of a reason for them to remake/remodel it? It's sold more than Hits (I know...not difficult), come on!
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Yup. Simply put... I'd buy it.

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Surely if it's out of print and the publishers don't intend reprinting it, then the rights to your work will return to you at some point...?

I also know that whenever I see a copy in Oxfam Books near me - priced around the £4/£5 mark, it's always been sold within a week or so...

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Absoloutely yes!

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Just wondering if anything has come of this?

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I have the first edition and I would buy the revised one, for sure. A whole new chapter regarding the reunion is a good idea.



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Yeah I agree.

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