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Just to further complicate things Mr Jarvis Cocker is releasing a highly limited (1,000 copies only) 7'' 45 rpm single on the 9th of November this year. It's a double-A sided affair featuring ''Further Complications'' (from the Rough Trade album of the same name) on one side & ''Girls Like it Too'' on the other.
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yes ! finally !

though, its only a vinyl apparently...

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Hooray - just as we´d hoped and predicted. (Though I would have preferred Never Said I Was Deep instead of Further Comps).

Just what a Double A-side means on a non-cd single release by an artist on an independent label is a moot point (though maybe the promo sent to radio will have Girls Like It Too as the first track - or maybe there´ll be a video for it?).

And well done Weed, you were practically bang-on with it being released five years since John Peel´s death (JP´s brother came up with the phrase ´Girls Like It Too´).

Finally, the fact that it´s double-a, does this mean we won´t get the remaining songs recorded during the album sessions, The Night They Let Me Out of the Home and Apparently (though we now all have the latter due to the Japanese edition of the album featuring bonus tracks)? As I can´t imagine a third single is likely.

An EP containing all four songs might have been a better idea. Still, great to know we´ll finally hear the We Can Dance Again/Cuckoo of the late 00´s pretty soon.

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andy wrote:

yes ! finally !

though, its only a vinyl apparently...


Not surprising though. He´s on Rough Trade and doesn´t give a fig about the charts anymore.

 



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I just left a comment on the official site asking for a digital release. If we all do the same, maybe that will help...

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You´re right - I hadn´t thought of it being unavailable digitally. That would be a shame.

No mention of a video - I presume he´s talking about making a video for the song he wrote for Fantastic Mr Fox in the article on his site. Here it is in full (and it was John Peel who made the Girls Like It Too comment to his brother, not vice versa as I thought):


Further Complications Announcement 1 October 09

Just to further complicate things Mr Jarvis Cocker is releasing a highly limited (1,000 copies only) 7 45 rpm single on the 9th of November this year. Its a double-A sided affair featuring Further Complications (from the Rough Trade album of the same name) on one side & Girls Like it Too on the other. Both tracks were recorded in Chicago by Steve Albini earlier this year. Further Complications you may already familiar with, Girls Like it Too probably not & theres a bit of a story behind that song..would you care to hear it? You would? Splendid well, the songs title comes from a speech made at John Peels funeral by his brother Alan. It seems that the younger Ravenscroft asked his big brother John for some advice on how to deal with the lustful thoughts that were beginning to stir in his teenage body & John replied Just remember: girls like it too a pretty good piece of sex education in anyones language. This anecdote made a great impression on Jarvis at the time & now it has finally found its way into a song, almost 5 years to the day since the great mans passing in October 2004. Yes, it really is that long ago already.

To mark the release Jarvis & the band will be occupying the Village Underground complex in Shoreditch & doing another event along the lines of their week-long residency in the Galerie Chappe in Paris earlier this year. That event involved open-to-all improvisation sessions, Yoga classes with live musical accompaniment, Belly Dancing workshops, Kids activities & performances with special guests & they intend to take the idea to the next level this time. Watch some of the fun & games that happened on Youtube. More details nearer the date.

Jarvis (or a puppet looking suspiciously like him) can be seen in the new Wes Anderson movie The Fantastic Mr Fox which is opening the London Film Festival this year. He also contributed a song to the soundtrack of the film (& his cars in it too!). Jarvis is currently working on ideas for a video to accompany the single with the talented French director Stephanie di Giusto who has previously made clips for Brigitte Fontaine & Camille as well as producing a recently-released cinematic portrait of the actress Lou Douillon.

He would also like you to know that all the podcasts of him reading short stories that were previously on his MySpace page will shortly be available to download from this website & hes even threatening to do some more! Plus, there should be some footage from the Galerie Chappe event up there soon too. Ok, ok we know: information overload!! But listen, thanks for taking the time to read this& heres to a pleasantly complicated October.




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According to the Rough Trade website a copy of the press release will be included and only 300 copies will be available in the UK. I'm sure the price is alright for most but do any of you know anywhere cheaper online that might sell this?

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Like we give a fuck about the press release....

A link to a d/l of the tracks would be a real "special treat", just like they did for the vinl version of the LP.

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yeah but the album was available on CD so if you wanted digital versions you just had to buy that instead of the vinyl. No one forced you to buy the vinyl version. No one pulled a gun on you and said DAMNIT ANDY YOU WILL BUY THE VINYL VERSION OF THIS ALBUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Sure...

By the way, the NME news about it :
The former Pulp singer has lined up a 1,000 copies of the double A-sided record, which features the the title track from his 2009 LP 'Further Complications' and album track 'Girls Like It Too'.



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I'm wondering if this will be available domestically in the U.S., or will I need to buy it as an import?

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Yeah 'sure' is correct. ************************* just because you wont get a digital download of the b side for free. ********************************** Either buy the 7" or dont, either way it is not our concern what you do.


And with 300 copies only being in the UK i would imagine it would be available in other countries via online stores etc. it isnt listed on HMV yet so unless that changes i would imagine you would need to buy it via Rough Trade over here. 1000 might not seem like a lot of copies but it actually is when it comes to 7".

-- Edited by ArrGee on Thursday 1st of October 2009 08:47:28 PM

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crazyshady wrote:

As above

******************, everyone speak to each other here, you're just being rude for no reason.

I just think its moronic, its like they dont want to sell records, plus it's a waste of good material. I just said what they did before was a good idea, but the way they release that particular new song isnt. A lot of things are wrong about the music industry nowadays, but record companies dont do anything to make it better. It's my opinion and that's it, ********************************

-- Edited by andy on Thursday 1st of October 2009 08:18:12 PM


-- Edited by ArrGee on Thursday 1st of October 2009 08:48:34 PM

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*******************. Sitting moaning just because a song you want wont be given to you as an MP3. Stop blaming your gripes with the music industry on Jarvis Cocker and Rough Trade. They need to make money too and can't just give everything away because people like you want everything in MP3. Do you never think that maybe Jarvis and Rough Trade have a bit more respect for music than the bigger labels and want customers to buy physical copies and get the best sound quality rather than shitty compressed MP3 files. I'm not angry at all infact i'm reasonably happy just now.

*****************************************. You don't see any other posters moaning about not being given a FREE download of the B side. They are all more than happy just to buy the single, get a new song and support Jarvis and the £3.49 cost or whatever it is gives them value for their money.


-- Edited by crazyshady on Thursday 1st of October 2009 08:23:18 PM

-- Edited by ArrGee on Thursday 1st of October 2009 08:45:18 PM

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With my admin hat on, please be a little more civil.  I have edited a couple of posts, however I have tried to keep the points made as I think they are interesting.  Don't think of it as censorship, I only removed the more personal parts.

Obviously a couple of you feel passionate about this, but please remember THE SECOND RULE
... don't be an arse. This is pretty much a judgement call, I know, but to me it means no over-the-top personal attacks on other posters .....



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Well of course it is over the top. I am a larger than life person so my posts reflect that. Anyways what you have left in my post is enough to get the point across. A point that i'm sure many agree with.

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crazyshady wrote:
Well of course it is over the top. I am a larger than life person so my posts reflect that. Anyways what you have left in my post is enough to get the point across. A point that i'm sure many agree with.
Nothing wrong with being over the top or larger than life, but please bear the SECOND RULE in mind when responding to others.  I don't make the rules, our Friendly Neighbourhood Benevolent Dictator does that.   He has the final say around here.

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*******************. Sitting moaning just because a song you want wont be given to you as an MP3. Stop blaming your gripes with the music industry on Jarvis Cocker and Rough Trade. They need to make money too and can't just give everything away because people like you want everything in MP3. Do you never think that maybe Jarvis and Rough Trade have a bit more respect for music than the bigger labels and want customers to buy physical copies and get the best sound quality rather than shitty compressed MP3 files. I'm not angry at all infact i'm reasonably happy just now.

*****************************************. You don't see any other posters moaning about not being given a FREE download of the B side. They are all more than happy just to buy the single, get a new song and support Jarvis and the £3.49 cost or whatever it is gives them value for their money.


-- Edited by crazyshady on Thursday 1st of October 2009 08:23:18 PM

-- Edited by ArrGee on Thursday 1st of October 2009 08:45:18 PM


Jeez, I NEVER said i wanted it ONLY FOR FREE. I think you got me wrong here or maybe i wasn't clear enough.

I said it would be cool to give a free MP3 copy to people THAT BUY THE VINYL, which i bought right away, though the P&P are expensive for me (way more than the actual product, coz its an import for me).

I want it other than on vinyl : MP3, CD, Flac.... Vinyl is cool but compared to cd quality, it's different. It doesnt feel ok on the ear to have all the tracks on cd quality and one that is vinyl rip, when you listen to the tracks all at once. Cant you understand that ? Plus im so not pro-digital release, I LOVE having CDs and VINYLS, but that's the only way to get some rare tracks nowadays.

I also bought the japanese version of the cd for the two extra tracks to have all the songs with the same CD quality, so dont get me started on supporting Jarvis...

 



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You need to realise that people who BUY THAT VINYL are the only ones who will have access to the B side. It would make more sense if there was a CD single that had a completely different B side but there isn't. So for people who buy the vinyl it doesnt matter.........vinyl is your only option and you have no choice but to buy it if you want it. It is not mass produced and is obviously just released for fans and collectors hence their being a limited supply. To start releasing it online and on CDs and then vinyl renders it pointless. Why just make a limited supply? Why not just play it by ear and just make them as long as the demand is there? Doing that completely goes against the purpose of the single.

CDs do not reflect the best sound quality available and even moreso with this album being recorded live with live instruments. None of the instruments are digital. Vinyl being an analogue format will give you the best clarity for each instrument and is the closest you will get to how the song actually sounded in the recording studio. Also the speed at which 7" and 12" records play is identical to the way they were recorded. I am sure if you compare any vinyl and CD versions you will notice vinyl plays a little bit faster.

You can want to have everything in digital and analogue but Jarvis obviously didn't think this track was good enough for the album. People are lucky that there is a second single at all from this album and as you say it is sometimes the only way to get rare tracks nowadays.....consider this a 'rare' track. You have the chance to own it.

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Eamonn wrote:

Hooray - just as we´d hoped and predicted. (Though I would have preferred Never Said I Was Deep instead of Further Comps).

Just what a Double A-side means on a non-cd single release by an artist on an independent label is a moot point (though maybe the promo sent to radio will have Girls Like It Too as the first track - or maybe there´ll be a video for it?).

And well done Weed, you were practically bang-on with it being released five years since John Peel´s death (JP´s brother came up with the phrase ´Girls Like It Too´).


-- Edited by Eamonn on Thursday 1st of October 2009 02:39:17 PM




He knows it makes sense!

Perhaps a third single is in the pipeline - 'Homewrecker' limited to 5 copies on Minidisc?

Or why not re-release 'Angela' as it went down so well the first time?

He's an awkard bugger like and he knows it!



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You need to realise that people who BUY THAT VINYL are the only ones who will have access to the B side. It would make more sense if there was a CD single that had a completely different B side but there isn't. So for people who buy the vinyl it doesnt matter.........vinyl is your only option and you have no choice but to buy it if you want it. It is not mass produced and is obviously just released for fans and collectors hence their being a limited supply. To start releasing it online and on CDs and then vinyl renders it pointless. Why just make a limited supply? Why not just play it by ear and just make them as long as the demand is there? Doing that completely goes against the purpose of the single.

CDs do not reflect the best sound quality available and even moreso with this album being recorded live with live instruments. None of the instruments are digital. Vinyl being an analogue format will give you the best clarity for each instrument and is the closest you will get to how the song actually sounded in the recording studio. Also the speed at which 7" and 12" records play is identical to the way they were recorded. I am sure if you compare any vinyl and CD versions you will notice vinyl plays a little bit faster.

You can want to have everything in digital and analogue but Jarvis obviously didn't think this track was good enough for the album. People are lucky that there is a second single at all from this album and as you say it is sometimes the only way to get rare tracks nowadays.....consider this a 'rare' track. You have the chance to own it.


I agree with most of that, i just think its weird promotion. Limited editions were always good for fans, but it's a single, and it's gotta appeal to more people. We live in a world with vinyl players, but also cds and mostly ipods, and that's how people listen to music nowadays, and i think it's good when people have options. That's the only way to save music.

Rare is good, but what's wrong with your best work being heard by a lot of people : coz that's the debate here. Girls Like It Too is a killer track (despite what Jarvis seems to think), and only 1000 people will have access to it. I feel lucky i'll have it, but then i also feel like Jarvis is wasting his best material. And a lot of people here will ask for a rip of the bside. So it'll end up being distributed illegally...

Music shouldnt be hard to get, it should be easy (not easy "free" like now), like it was before, when you went to your local store to buy the new singles of your favourite band, on whatever format. I used to buy cds and vinyl versions of each singles few years ago. Now it's rare to have that kinda option, and that's kinda sad. It used to be a real treat every 3 months with a new single that had 3 or even 4 bsides in the 90s. I guess the music industry changed, but I miss those days.

 



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Even when Jarvis released his first album CD singles were very much available here in the UK and the closure of stores like Woolworths didn't help and neither did WH Smiths announcing they were stopping them altogether, infact IIRC they have now stopped stocking CDs altogether. In 3 years the music landscape has completely changed again and in 3 years from now it will have decreased even further. They might not have the budget to send CD singles out and realistically there are only a handful of physical stores that will stock them anyway. The charts mean nothing in this day and age.It costs pennys to produce vinyl records and they will make a profit easily by doing these limited singles. Jarvis can do wahtever he likes. For all i know he has a vault full of unreleased material, no one knows just how many songs were recorded with Steve Albini and whatever he releases is up to him.


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Is anyone else having bother ordering this from the Rough Trade site? The window won't open for me. All I get is a message pop up saying that my orde will be shipped on release then it just reverts to the former page. grrrrr!

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I found it confusing at first too. After you get that pop-up message it appears nothing has happened. But you should find that the record has been added to your shopping basket. If you scroll to the top of the page you should find that it says 'Items In Basket: 1' plus a link for you to follow that says 'Checkout now'.

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I'm gonna have about 30 copies in my basket now! Thanks for your help Will!

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