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Should Jarvis shave? [36 vote(s)]

No - He looks wise and friendly with the beard.
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Yes - The sagging chin and overbite suits him.
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I can not believe there is any debate over the beard. The man obviously looks better with facial hair.




By catcliffe at 2009-03-01

Discuss.



-- Edited by Fuss Free at 19:46, 2009-03-01

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Ooh, Bar Italia's first ever poll (?).

I think the beard is a bit too Peter Sutcliffe (Jarvis' words, not mine) but I much prefer the way his hair it is now. Was too long and hippyish previously.

I think he'll shave it off in time for tv promo of Girls Like It Too so that a new generation of teenage girls can fall in love with him rather than find him resembling their pervy uncle.

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Hmmm, unsure on this. Maybe the beard could go but the tash could stay?

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He sounds all muffled when he is talking though !

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Maybe he should keep the beard and shave all his hair off?

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When you got a skin face, the beard fills it in. At least thats why I have beard?

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I think it depends on how long he's hair is. If you get used to him having beard and short hair it becomes alright after a while... i prefer short hair and beard over non comb/washed hair.

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I've got used to his beard.

I don't know why but he looks almost like a male solo artist with a big career behind him should look :).

And he also looks like a Geography teacher which isn't bad as I study that at uni!

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I prefer the short hair over the longer hair, allthough that had something as well. Perhaps he would shave his beard off after a while, it would look like the WLL days.

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i hated the long hair, but i do like the beardy look now.  as long as he doesn't put it into a goatee or a comedy tash

though actually he'd look good with a handlebar tash i think


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apparently jarvis was on the news last night, talking about michael jackson touring.

and he's shaved it off! (though my friend may be lying)

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he looks like rolf harris when he did stars in their eyes.

Keep the short hair, loose the beard

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Pye wrote:

Keep the short hair, loose the beard


Good call!



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Agree with Pye :D

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Eamonn wrote:

I think he'll shave it off in time for tv promo of Girls Like It Too so that a new generation of teenage girls can fall in love with him rather than find him resembling their pervy uncle.

Loved this.

Keep the short hair, loose the beard (and the moustache, just to ensure).

 

 



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Some of you lot won't be happy till he throws contact lenses and half a kilo of foundation into the mix so it's 1995 again.

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I shaved my beard off yesterday.


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Sturdy wrote:

Some of you lot won't be happy till he throws contact lenses and half a kilo of foundation into the mix so it's 1995 again.


Personally I prefer the 1993 polyester/bri-nylon/acrylic look.  Sparks used to fly between the band and the front row smile

 



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I prefer the fucked-up TIH look.

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ArrGee wrote:
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Some of you lot won't be happy till he throws contact lenses and half a kilo of foundation into the mix so it's 1995 again.
Personally I prefer the 1993 polyester/bri-nylon/acrylic look.  Sparks used to fly between the band and the front row smile


Yes, that was good. Russell just wasn't Russell without his PVC jacket!


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When we came to do the shows, a lot of people seemed to think it was very important that I got rid of the beard. There were forum discussions. I thought about it, but I did have a slight fear that I may have developed a double chin in the interim. There could be a jowl under there. So the answer to that question is that I don't think I'm hiding anything.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/nov/27/jarvis-cocker-pulp-readers-questions



-- Edited by weej on Sunday 27th of November 2011 03:46:06 AM

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he looks like a horrible sick turtle without the beard

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weej wrote:

When we came to do the shows, a lot of people seemed to think it was very important that I got rid of the beard. There were forum discussions. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/nov/27/jarvis-cocker-pulp-readers-questions



-- Edited by weej on Sunday 27th of November 2011 03:46:06 AM

 Now I feel cruel.. of course its not THAT important whether he has facial hair or not. 



-- Edited by Perfect on Sunday 27th of November 2011 09:07:30 AM



-- Edited by Perfect on Sunday 27th of November 2011 09:08:06 AM

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I was a bit confused when I started reading that because i hadn't looked at the date. Does Jarvis check in on this forum? Are there other Pulp forums?

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fredthe3rd wrote:

 Does Jarvis check in on this forum? 

 Do you really want to know? (I'm not sure I want...)



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There's a look for every era, and that's good. I personnally feel like it's some different Jarvis every time. He'd look silly dressed at the 95 cocker, pink tie and stuff.

(and i think Jarvis reads that forum)



-- Edited by andy on Sunday 27th of November 2011 02:02:10 PM

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Well I'm only going to say nice things about him from now on. Just in case. Oooh, isn't he looking healthy and happy in that new pic.

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How on earth could someone as lean as Jarvis have a sagging jowl? There is nothing to sag! I say he should shave it off as beards with grey patches are ageing. Although he does carry it off better than most men could.

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I like the beard but I think it was the long, floppy hair that made it seem that he had a 'sagging chin'. Perhaps with this haircut it might look alright not having a beard



-- Edited by Jazza on Sunday 27th of November 2011 08:04:42 PM

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Andy: (and i think Jarvis reads that forum) - what forum? And why does everyone I like suddenly have a beard? Jarvis, Neil Hannon, MF Doom, Frankie Boyle, half of the Coens, E from Eels has the king of beards!

-- Edited by fredthe3rd on Sunday 27th of November 2011 09:49:35 PM

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I think all evidence points to it being this one. And well, wouldn't you?

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IS there another?

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There's probably Pulp discussions on other general music forums. who knows. Graham Coxon posts regularly on the Blur forum, Ryan Adams as well on some fan board (sometimes under fake identities). so why not Jarv ? He seem to be the kinda person to play that game...



-- Edited by andy on Monday 28th of November 2011 06:58:38 AM

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Are YOU Jarvis?

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I think if it's anyone, it'd be Fred. Just to confound us.

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fredthe3rd wrote:

Are YOU Jarvis?

 I might be... i could be anyone from the band really.



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It's true - Fred's story just doesn't add up. One minute he's Fred, the next he's Dominic biggrin



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I think you're all in the band and you're just messing with my head now!

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Maybe some of us used to be in the band.

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he's still good looking - either way

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...You mean... i am... thanx

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I'm everyone on this board except you Saw.

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fredthe3rd, do you like bagpipes ?

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Oh God, if Jarvis does post on here I've said some really embarrassing stuff this year. In my drunken state at Glasto, I wondered after they walked on stage and Jarvis said "You didn't think we'd let you down do you?" was directed at me after months of moaning about it on here!

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It's not the facial hair that's bothersome, it's his greasy, Prince Valiant haircut.

If Mozzer reads stuff posted about him on his Moz-solo messageboard, why not Jarvis? Jarvis, or fred3, seemed so remarkably self-aware.

Jarv, can you answer Bort's question (if Pulp are touring America) so that he can now have a good night sleep?



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Pulp will tour America... one day.

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Mark probably reads this board, since he's very net savvy.

In which case, I'm really sorry. For everything.

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JarvFredthe3, will Pulp record another album and come to do a gig in Paris, WHICH THEY HAVENT DONE this year, and that's a shame.

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If Jarvis reads this forum, he should make some kind of sign on his radio show.. to confirm. :P

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I doubt he'd do it though, especially if he's behind the past years' leaks, its best he remains hidden. And in a way it's more fun that way. Bagpipes !

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The radio show is about the music not chatting about forums. Pulp will record two more songs for an up coming compilation. And that's your lot.

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The radio show is about the music not chatting about forums. Pulp will record two more songs for an up coming compilation. And that's your lot.

 Wait, what, when, where, how, who, what ????

You're closer than ever to being Jarvis.. but you're not, definitely, so how do you know all that stuff ?



-- Edited by andy on Monday 28th of November 2011 06:27:48 PM

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fredthe3rd wrote:

The radio show is about the music not chatting about forums.

 But, remember that thread I started about Pulp & Morrissey and then the following week he played The Smiths? Spooky.



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He played The Smiths yesterday too and last week and...

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I know, I was being facetious

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andy wrote:
fredthe3rd wrote:

The radio show is about the music not chatting about forums. Pulp will record two more songs for an up coming compilation. And that's your lot.

 Wait, what, when, where, how, who, what ????

You're closer than ever to being Jarvis.. but you're not, definitely, so how do you know all that stuff ?



-- Edited by andy on Monday 28th of November 2011 06:27:48 PM

Fred has clearly made it up! I don't doubt Jarvis could well have the occassional sneaky peak on here, but I can't see him posting under an alias.



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If he does read it he's probably laughing now at all this speculation

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I think Jazza is Jarvis! He always did have a fascination with teenage girls.

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Well, here's the urban dictionary definition of Jazza:
Jazza can be used as a nickname for anyone with a first or last name starting with the letters J and A
ooo - just maybe....And don't you think 'fascination with teenage girls' sounds a bit wrong?

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Tell that to the guy with the fascination with teenage girls, AKA you. Jazza, JC, whatever you choose to call yourself.

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Isn't it a bit of a give away that I'm not Jarvis when my avatar is me in front of Brixton academy - blatantly not Jarvis? On the other hand your avatar looks close enough, and ambiguous to be Jarvis in disguise

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Freddo, you are barking up the wrong tree. I've met Jazza in person, and she doesn't have a beard, so she can't be Jarvis.

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You're right. I'm Jarvis.

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Jazza wrote:

On the other hand your avatar looks close enough, and ambiguous to be Jarvis in disguise

 I've been thinking of doing a Jarvis card for a while... and you know what stopped me? Beard or no beard!

 

And if I did Common People era Jarvis I'm not sure I could do the hair justice.



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I was toying with the idea of creating a new account on here, username Jarvis, so I could have a bit of fun, but thankfully in the end a) I couldn't be arsed with the new account aggro, b) I decided I'm not quite sad enough yet

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The beard should stay!



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I'm more probably Jarvis than Fredthe3rd to be honest. think about it.

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Perfect wrote:
If Jarvis reads this forum, he should make some kind of sign on his radio show.. to confirm. :P

 He could just say hi to everyone at Bar Italia.  No need for a sign.  Just be direct!



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Can't find the story corroborated online, but I read how, many years ago (with the Internet in its infancy) someone contributed to a discussion on the meaning of "Blowin' in the Wind" on the Bob Dylan usenet group stating that, contrary to belief, it was just a naive young man's words.

"We disagree" said the group

"But I should know" said the writer, "I wrote it"

"I don't believe you! You're a liar!" (nearly) said the group.

"Alright. I'll prove it. And to prove it I'll play [insert obscure Dylan song here] at my next gig"

And he duly did.



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Are you saying that we should ask Fred/ Andy to play an obscure song next concert?

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Ok, we have now reached the point where we have tipped over into extreme, nutty fan paranoia

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I can play whatever Pulp song you ask me. Except Mis-Shapes. I dont like that one again. after liking it again.

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Andy, this is a bit awkward, but could you stop pretending to be me? Oh and I will play Common People at the next Pulp gig. Guar. An. Teed.

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I wish you stopped pretending to be me, really. All i can say is true Pulp fans know i'm the real deal. i'm the Jarv, i'm the Cock, i'm the Jarvis Cocker. Face it... you're not.

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andy wrote:

I can play whatever Pulp song you ask me. Except Mis-Shapes. I dont like that one again. after liking it again.

 Why don't you just play it on your radio show this weekend?



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I can play whatever Pulp song you ask me. Except Mis-Shapes. I dont like that one again. after liking it again.

 Why don't you just play it on your radio show this weekend?

 Ok! what time exatcly do you want me to play it ?



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andy wrote:

I can play whatever Pulp song you ask me. Except Mis-Shapes. I dont like that one again. after liking it again.

 Why don't you just play it on your radio show this weekend?

 Ok! what time exatcly do you want me to play it ?

 Open the show with it at 4pm.



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You got it...

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andy wrote:
You got it...

 Cheers, I'm looking forward to it.



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 Cheers, I'm looking forward to it.

 Did you play it?



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well of course, havent you heard it ? I even played the demo



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Come now. I'd never play a Pulp song on the show. I will play Another Brother by Thos Henley next week. Quite fitting I think you'll agree.

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playing your own songs on the radio must be a bit like having a wank in the mirror??

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oh god. stay off the computer when drunk.

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dont, i laughed

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I think Russell was an exponent of that idea - listening to your own song like being caught masticating.

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Eamonn wrote:

I think Russell was an exponent of that idea - listening to your own song like being caught masticating.

 Blimey, for one second I thought you were suggesting that Russell was an exponent of shiny surfaced onanism



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Yeah, exponent wasn't the right word was it?! Serves me right for trying to be clever. I know Jarvis has quoted Russell a few times when journalists ask him abut his (Pulp, Jarvis') own music. And if memory serves did he once say ''I'd rather suck off a dog's knob than listen to my own music'' before?!

Even when he went solo he seemed uneasy ''It's like, so low, how low can you go?''

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This threads getting more filthy than Misfits!

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Misshapes, mistakes?

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Eamonn wrote:

I know Jarvis has quoted Russell a few times when journalists ask him abut his (Pulp, Jarvis') own music. And if memory serves did he once say ''I'd rather suck off a dog's knob than listen to my own music'' before?!

 what??  Also, has Russell ever expressed his opinion of TIH or WLL?



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Well he probably dislike TIH, that we know

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He clearly doesn't mind 'Sunrise' though, or at least not the anthemic bit. Oh yes, and he did come out to play violin on Wickerman on the 2nd Brixton night, so I presume he's ok with that song too...?

I suppose, generally, if it's good guitar pop, then Russell's probably ok with it. I'd like to imagine he's ok with the song TIH, as he does - after all - play on I Spy (and always looked like he was enjoying it).

I think it's probably safe to assume that, if it plods, he probably doesn't like it.

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