Hi! I've been following this forum since it was message board but this is my first post.
I just want to know the best way to get Jarvis to read an e-mail from me. I probably assume his MySpace account would be the best way. But is there any other way beside it?
You see Jarvis is coming to Latin America to do some gigs. When I first heard I was really excited because If they asked me wich artist/band should be brought to Buenos Aires, Jarvis would be on the top of my list by far. At last I'd see Jarvis live. But today I saw the tickets prices and got really dessapointed. The cheaper ticket is 200 pesos (EUR 44) wich is more than outrageous. Even If I had that money to spare I wouldn't. I'd rather get mugged in the streets. I know Jarvis doesn't have anything to do with ticket prices I just want him to take notice, not to do anything (that would be a little naive from me) just to take notice that's all. It happened before with other artists: "Oh, we didn't know It was gonna be like this. Sorry. Next time we get back here will be in other context" I'd like to tell him that c*nts are still running the world. Sorry for the rant.
Cheers Little Teeth
PS: I'd love to see Bar Italia up and running again =)
Geoff Travis is still his manager as far as I know - he also runs Rough Trade records, Jarvis's label. You could try their site.
Do you know the full dates and venues of this Latin American tour? It's an interesting idea - one thing I noticed when I used to check his myspace more often (when he bothered to use it) was that there were a lot of messages from Mexican fans pleading with him to come there - as some had waited years for him to come to that part of the world with Pulp. It would be great if he actually had taken it upon himself to set this tour up.
Im from BA too. man, its the trastienda, no more than 300 hundred people, see i would pay 200pesos to have jarvis from less than a meter, by the way, 200$ cost the general ticket so you would be next to him xd it's kinda difficult, there aren't anywhere the full dates, in argentina its confirmed the 11/3 and rumoured the 12/3 in chile its rumoured the 14/3. i dont know any others. If it wasn't march I would follow him all over the gig, i hate this month
Last night I tried the Rough Trade way (I guess there must be some kind of pun in this sentence) Hope getting lucky (ok enough hehe) getting some kind of reply or at least being read from Jarvis himself.
It is indeed an interesting idea -A Latin American tour- as far as I know there are three confirmed dates from Jarv's MySpace account: Monterrey, Mexico DF and Buenos Aires (there is another date in Buenos Aires and one in Santiago de Chile but no official announce yet) Sadly for the Buenos Aires leg of the tour shamelessly baddly executed.
Gaz. I know the venue's maximum capacity. That's the whole deal, a well-known and highly awaited artist, just two dates and a very small venue equals a outraougeusly speculated price tickets. But you're right, I will be less than a meter next to him. My God haven't thought on that one. Alright then you might like this: how about paying 200EUR for a specially exclusive show for fifty guests. In that case maybe you'll stand next to Jarvis!
Sorry he is a life-changing artist for me, but I don't conceive a show in those terms, and I'm quite sure Jarvis either.
200 pesos is just shy of £32.50, for anyone looking for some UK context. If it was here, it'd be overpriced, but hardly crazy-money overpriced. What's the average price of a concert ticket in Argentina?
Steve I´m glad you point this out because without a comparison there's no real perspective about the whole thing. Sometimes you forget how deprecated our currency is while the cost of living still remains high.
Ok now a simple comparison. Shellac (Steve Albini's band) is playing on March 26 in a similar fashion venue than Jarvis. The "General" ticket (that is standing in front of the stage) costs 30 pesos. A reasonable price -for a reasonable country- for the Jarvis show would be between 40 and 60 pesos top. But costs more than three times that! Again, this show -like many others in this country- is aimed for a small amount of people who can pay this and tourists, of course. I can pay it but I refuse to let this drift to be the standart for international artists playing here.
Oh I almost forget to say that the minimum wage established by the goverment is 800 pesos (now the real minimum wage is about 600 pesos)
Cheers Diego
PS: Sorry about the lenghty posts. I want to explain things accurately but it's difficult in my non-native language to do so.
Don't worry about long replies :) It's good to talk.
Anyway, a "top price" of 40 to 60 pesos would work out at around £6.40 to £9.50 a ticket, which I'm not sure is realistic for even a scrupulously honest promoter to pay for Jarvis and his entourage to fly out from France to South America and do a concert at a small 300-capacity venue, no matter how knackered the Argentinian economy is - when I was working as a promoter and putting bands on in a similar-size venue in Cardiff, Wales, we often had to charge about £10 (around 65 pesos) on the door for bands with much, much smaller profiles than Jarvis, just so they didn't lose money by travelling from London or wherever to play at a small club, even though they weren't famous enough to play a bigger venue. It comes down to whether Jarvis and his management and the local promoters are prepared to lose a lot of money touring somewhere in the hope of recouping that money in merchandise and in knock-on album sales. (And, of course, how much the promoters are shoving in their own pockets, as you point out).
But then I don't know what the usual cost of going to see a major touring band in a small venue there is. (I don't think Shellac is really a fair comparison - I'd expect Shellac to be a lot cheaper than Jarvis if they were playing in London too.) Nor do I know how popular Jarvis is in South America in the first place - is he a big star, or just some little-known British musician with a cult following?
Are Echo & the Bunnymen still really popular in South America, or is that just fiction?
I digress. It is a rough deal, but I don't know what to say, really. Rhetorical question for everyone (and I don't know what my answer is): How much should ticket prices reflect the state of the local economy, rather than factors like the costs of putting on the show, or how much the artist could make if they just played down the road from their house?
when I found that Shellac's tickets cost 30 pesos i though it was wrong, lol.
"Are Echo & the Bunnymen still really popular in South America, or is that just fiction?" FICTION
a normal ticket for an international artist costs about 80 pesos or more, I paid 400 for Bjork, in a much bigger place, and I've been thinking and its not too much 200 to see Jarvis, its an once in a lifetime chance
I really love Jarvis but it is outrageous to pay 200EUR to see him, maybe I would pay that to see Relaxed Muscle
"Are Echo & the Bunnymen still really popular in South America, or is that just fiction?"
Well they came in 2006 and they did very well. They're not huge but still have a large fanbase. Wich might be a little stagnated hence the youger audiences doesn't give them much attention except for Goths -a urban tribe wich is stiil appealing here.
Talking about popularity I think Jarvis is not a cult act. Pulp were pretty popular in the late nineties specially with TIH (that was when I was introduced to them - i'm 26) And Jarvis popularity's still growing not for his solo album due to Pulp is a band that is still linked with BritPop. I guess Pulp would been gathered 10,000 people. Now, Jarvis solo must be 2,000, 3,000 fans. Because like Gaz said it's a once in a lifetime chance to see the man live with the still-skinny-appearance, wrist flicks, witty comments between songs included in a Pulp songless show. Now with those ticket prices that number would fall dramatically. One thing you leave out of the equation is sponsorship wich is really important here because like you said even with a £20 (almost half the price) wouldn't be realistic for any promoter to bring Jarvis straight from France. On the other hand. Yeah Shellac is no fair comparison but a five quid ticket can bring him and his entourage from the States? If that's so I want Albini's matter teleportation machine. We -because there's a petition of 400 people bitching about it like me- believe that this system is monopolystic and it's aimed for exclusive shows for people who will roughly afford it (justified by the once-in-a-lifetimeness reason) and tourists (there's a lot of young people coming from Europe and the States) So we are against this tendency that -with Jarvis gig -reached its top and I'know it will peak again with another international visit. We know there are other ways to do it. But is crucial for the artist to be acknowledged. I don't want him to be dissapointed. I've seen it with Devendra Banhart (wich it was half the price in a similar venue) he couldn't believe what was going on.
About that rethorical question on this context of argentinian economy £5 would be ideal. But like you said is a rough deal. Especially if you're a Jarvis fan.
It's just a hunch, but, I suspect the South American tour was concieved as a way to finance a warm holiday for himself and his family on the cheap.
The prices you've quoted seem reasonable to me. Factor in the price of flights for the whole band, management and friends of the band plus visas, permits, insurance, extra luggage charges. Hotel rooms, buses, gas. Food. Per diem. And of course, profit.
It'd be nice to believe Jarvis tours out of the goodness of his own heart, but you know, he wants to make money. A few pesos don't go very far in Paris or London. You've got to pay the meter.
I know Jarvis is touring to make profit and everyone involved as well. I don't pretend him to be Ian MacKaye actually.
Just simply wanted to contact him -or anybody in the band/managment- to be assured that he is aware of this situation. If I'm going to play in a gig in another country -and I care a little bit about it- I would like to perform to the people that actually lives there, not almost three hundred tourists. That's what will happen because that's how was intended from the promoters to be. Since day one.
We're talking about a venue that only allows a lame 10% of the people Jarvis could gather in Buenos Aires. And If it was that way I'd rather stay home or keep touring in Europe/States why bother. That's the whole deal about a touring I think. But maybe Fuss Free you're right and this is a way to finance a warm holyday for himself and his family on the cheap.
Again, again and again. He can do whatever he wants, but we have experience about artists who -apparently- didn't know what were the terms they were coming and got really dessapointed. This is not against Jarv himself this is against the show's organization (see the petition) If he already knows and doesn't care about it, c'est la vie. I hope to bump into him near my house (happened with Franz Ferdinand two years ago) and thank him for all those wonderful songs he did and how much they influenced me. And of course, tell him how much I would have liked to see him onstage.