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set your recorders......

The South Bank Show - Jarvis Cocker: Running the World - ITV 1. 10.45pm - 11.50pm
The former front man of Pulp and one of Britain's best-loved cultural icons, Jarvis Cocker talks to Melvyn Bragg about songwriting, politics, his ambivalent attitude to fame and what he likes about his new life in France.

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A good show, did everyone see it?

It had fairly chunky clips of a gig he played (in the Plug, Sheffield), Jarvis showed some of his favourite places in Paris and discussed why he liked them, including the wall used on the solo album cover. He said that the wall had been painted over and despite the shade of grey paint not matching up, the whole wall had been painted in this way. Jarvis said he liked this because although someone knew they'd mucked up, they still completed the job. He talked about liking human aspects of Paris a lot.

He also goes back to Sheffield, before the gig, and visits the crab shop in the market where he used to work.

Sheffield: Sex City was played at one point, as well as over half the songs of the album (even the loss adjuster!).

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yeah was a good prog

the live clips were from the Roundhouse in London though, the crowd interviews were from sheffield. i know this cause i was at both gigs and remember the camera's at the Roundhouse. also Richard Hawley was on stage (he wasn't playing at sheffield)

was good to see scott walker on there too!



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I had to stay up past my bedtime to watch, but it was well worth it. even though I nearly missed my taxi to work this morning as I had slept in!

It showed some great insight into Jarv's life in Paris and it was great to hear Scott Walker praising Jarvis and Pulp's work. Especially after the embarrassing moment when John Barry was played Common People on the culture show on Saturday! (he didn't like it)

If anyone missed it, there's a podcast here:

http://www.itv.com/page.asp?partid=2399

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john barry hates most music. including most of the bands who did bond soundtracks (especially A-Ha). i don't think he actually hated common people though did he? i suppose it was kind of a "no comment"...he's a genius anyway so he can get away with it

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The Sheffield:Sex City track matched up with signposts/shop fronts displaying the list of placenames was my favourite bit. Kind of 'Babies' original promo style, product placement thing going on.

I've often thought that Pulp should have made films for their more epic, lengthy tracks - Deep Fried In Kelvin, Seductive Barry, Wickerman etc. I think Jarvis and Steve's collective film-making talents could have helped make something special.

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how do I get my hands on a podcast and a vodcast?

1) iTunes users can automatically subscribe by clicking here:

itpc://download.itv.com/southbankshow/podcast.xml

2) Simply copy and paste this URL into your podcast program:

http://download.itv.com/southbankshow/podcast.xml

...and the frequent updates will automatically be delivered to you.



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Eamonn wrote:

The Sheffield:Sex City track matched up with signposts/shop fronts displaying the list of placenames was my favourite bit. Kind of 'Babies' original promo style, product placement thing going on.



I agree with that. In fact the whole show was really nicely done, i thought.



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Did anyone think Scott Walker's comments were a bit disingenuous re Jarvis' ability as a music writer? I think his exact comment was "His music isn't groundbreaking but his lyrics often are"; which doesn't scan too badly but he seemed to give the impression that he was brushing aside any musical talent that Jarvis has. We Love Life's musical scope obviously didn't impress him much.

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We Love Life's musical scope obviously didn't impress him much.

Nor me.

But seriously... this is Scott Walker talking, he has a leg to stand on.

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Eamonn wrote:
"His music isn't groundbreaking but his lyrics often are"
Musically, Pulp aren't too challenging, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.  Pulp made any number of great songs, many little more than three chord wonders like Common People, Babies, Lipgloss, DYRTFT? and Babies.  Heaven knows what Scott Walker makes of Oasis (the least groundbreaking band in all respects?).

There have been few truly innovative mainstream bands/acts in recent years.  Super Furry Animals and The White Stripes come to mind, and possibly Blur/Franz Ferdinand on a good day.

Where I believe Pulp have been innovative is in sound, structure and story telling.  I Spy is a great example of this.  It's hard to think of any other band that could have made it.

It was probably easier to be groundbreaking back in the sixties as there was less to go back to in terms of popular music, hence the Beatles, Stones, Beach Boys and Walker himself could all break new ground.

These days most bands use a tried and trusted template, and there are precious few innovators.  Evolution rather revolution; it ain't necessarily a bad thing though.  Nothing wrong with building on good foundations.

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I agree with much of that but I think Pulp have always had an original music angle. For many years this owed less to musical dexterity and was largely down to their interesting instrument use for a pop group - very distinctive synths and violins; but on their last two albums they showed their ''musicianship'' off quite impressively - incorporating samples from film scores into their own songs aswell as becoming more expansive with guitars and string arrangements (Candida having a large reponsibility for the latter given the lack of keyboard on TIH and WLL).

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...more expansive with guitars and string arrangements (Candida having a large reponsibility for the latter given the lack of keyboard on TIH and WLL)

For a start, and it's purely personal preference, I like Russell's guitar playing far more than Mark's.  Obviously he's not technically too proficient, and one could easily come up with a few examples showcasing Mark's superiority and even suitability (I'm thinking now of the meatiness of We Are The Boyz compared to Stacks), but on the whole I like Russell's style of playing more: it's less traditional, punkier I suppose.  DYRTFT?, Babies, Lipgloss are what I mean.

Anyway, in terms of string arrangements, Candida'd already been doing that sort of thing for a very long time, if you look at She's Dead or Happy Endings, and to my mind, that mix of Russell's violin/guitar and Candida's synth mimicking orchestral sounds is almost more interesting that bona fide string scores. 


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Eamonn wrote:

I agree with much of that but I think Pulp have always had an original music angle. For many years this owed less to musical dexterity and was largely down to their interesting instrument use for a pop group - very distinctive synths and violins;

Pulp's sound was their main distingushing feature.  Lyrically, Jarvis followed a long line of English storytellers whose lineage goes back to Ray Davies, but where Pulp differ is they did not sound like a traditional band yet still created the associated excitement.  Bands with intelligent lyrics such as The Smiths and nowadays The Arctic Monkeys when stripped of them would not sound too different from their contemporaries, whereas Pulp were very different.

Ok, muscially, nothing special; but certainly sonically they were. Though I would concede not so much towards the end, and not on Jarvis's solo effort.

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I suppose Jarvis is quite a traditional songwriter, in many ways.  I don't think he'd ever fully commit himself to experimentation in that way some have, but that's not always necessary, is it?  Not many people write words (or melodies) as well as him, and I also like the fact that someone is still willing to stand up for pop music.

In the end, all great art (and you include or exclude pop music in that to your own desire) is determined by character and personality; purely technical works just don't carry that emotive quality, or whatever.  Would Pulp have been better if they were jazz virtuosos?  I doubt it.  They'd have got caught up with thinking about which mode is cleverest rather than what simply sounds best.

Jazz is good too, as are many other artforms, but give me pop any day.

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"Lyrically, Jarvis followed a long line of English storytellers whose lineage goes back to Ray Davies..."
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Bit of an understatement there, don't you think Arrgee? Seems to me the British Isles have been producing witty songwriters since, well, at least since the plague.


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Fuss Free wrote:

ArrGee wrote:

"Lyrically, Jarvis followed a long line of English storytellers whose lineage goes back to Ray Davies..."
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Bit of an understatement there, don't you think Arrgee? Seems to me the British Isles have been producing witty songwriters since, well, at least since the plague.

Maybe, but my knowledge of anything music related pre-1964 is sketchy (mainly cos I'm not interested!).  In terms of what we would call rock 'n' roll, I can't think of anyone prior to Ray Davies who wrote about the minutia of urban/surburban life. 


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Would Pulp have been better if they were jazz virtuosos?  I doubt it.  They'd have got caught up with thinking about which mode is cleverest rather than what simply sounds best.
No.  Pulp's limitations made them.  Arguably as they became better musicians by becoming more proficient or through new recruits (Webber/Hawley) they weren't as good.

I was listening to We Love Life over the weekend, and despite liking it at the time of its release, it hasn't aged particularly well; whereas His 'n' Hers and Different Class have a timeless quality. 

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