I was initially disappointed by this track, especially given it's somewhat legendary reputation (and Jarv's mum's endorsement). In fact, the DC Deluxe Edition bonus disc has received far less attention from me than the other two, mainly due to the lack of quality "new" material (Paula and Catcliffe Shakedown I can live without). Now that I take a chance again, I find myself loving WCDA. Just a shame the lyrics aren't a bit sharper - something really interesting or witty or scathing would really make the song stand up a bit more. But presumably that's why it didn't make the final cut twelve years ago, despite being a live favourite.
I think if this song had made it onto DC, I would have loved it at the time. That's only really because I was 12 when DC came out!
Now that I'm older and (just a bit) wiser, I can't see anything special in it. Unless, I want to play a cheesy disco laugh-a-long after a few pints and karaoke at the Chicken In A Basket Inn!
i think its a classic. i heard about it just a few years ago and fell in love with the melody when i got the live take. the melody is amazing, and the demo would have been better with the other set of lyrics, but what the hell.
it would have been a hit if released, no doubt.
and DC outtakes are actually my fav of the 3 re-releases.
Oh you've been waiting for this moment to arrive since late September 1985 Now you watch the ice-rings melt before your eyes You can dance again
So many times I've wondered just what you would do if it happened, and it suddenly came true? And you say (?) of you Yeah, now we can dance again
Oh we can dance again Take a chance again We can crawl out of doors We can do it once more It's alright again
And if I hold you tight and I'll stay right through the night We can forget where we've been And all the crap we have seen It's alright again
Can you believe that it was only yesterday that you were frightened and they wanted you to pay? Now I've watched you burn your anorak and say: We can dance again
And after living in the dark for 15 years Oh, the light's getting brighter and it makes things disappear All that loneliness of growing pains and fear Oh we can dance again, oh dance again, oh!
Oh we can dance again Take a chance again We can crawl out of doors We can do it once more It's alright again
And if you hold me tight we might just stay the night We will forget where we've been And all the crap we have seen It's alright again It's alright
It's okay It's not the end of the world It's just some boys and some girls making fools of themselves
Everybody singing: We can dance again Take a chance again We can crawl out of doors We can do it once more It's alright again
And if you hold me tight I'll stay right through the night We'll forget where we've been And all the crap we've seen It's alright again It's alright, it's alright!
Oh, we can dance again Hold my hand, it's alright Your hair is beautiful, yeah Oh oh oh
Oh yeah, we can dance again Hold my hand, it's alright Your hair looks beautiful, yeah Oh oh oh oh Ah la la la la la!
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Cheers for the lyrics, but unfortunately they don't really redeem the song for me. I think a total rewrite of the words (including chorus) could've yielded another Pulp classic. All it actually says is, "We can dance again," with scarcely any of the insight or wit of Jarv's best lyrics. Possibly it didn't sound so good to Pulp when they'd recorded it (compared to the astonishing live reception) because the second-rate lyrics were more exposed.
Ah well, sometimes second best is all you're gonna get.
I think it was a case of either this or Disco 2000 on the album. Although I'm not a big fan of this song, i do wonder why it wasn't a B-side.
I would have preferred even the worst of the material on the deluxe albums over those awful remixes they insisted on filling their singles with around DC era.
weed wrote: I would have preferred even the worst of the material on the deluxe albums over those awful remixes they insisted on filling their singles with around DC era.
Absolutely. It seems that Different Class was the tail-end of a purple patch and the band were pretty much exhausted of ideas by the time of DC b-sides.
I think it has more to do with the fact that they had very few songs written for the album when Common People came out. Then they managed to write the rest of the album while Common P was in the top ten.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think on PTA and Ansaphone were 'proper' b-side songs from the DC singles. Maybe throw Mile End in there too.
We Can Dance Again would have made a nice B-side I would have thought! I'd take it over ant 'Motiv8' remix anyday!
Still... It was all sorted out in the end, I suppose.
(I'm not really sure what I am complaining about now!)
I was 9 when DC came out so I didn't get to buy all the singles. Few years later I tried to get all the b sides. Only got deluxe edition of DC yesterday; I'd never heard Ansaphone before - this was the b side to Disco 2000, yeah? I think that's my favourite on this 2 cd edition. Can't get enough of it! Paula and Catcliffe Shakedown are other favourites. Had PTA, Mile End. I'm not sure whether I prefer the 2cd His N Hers or DC. I wasn't impressed with This Is Hardcore 2 cd and especially that version of Like A Friend! It's so much better on the Great Expectations soundtrack. I've gone off topic, sorry, but yeah having read the sleevenotes I thought We Can Dance Again was going to be slightly better. I imagine it was good live though.
Jean wrote: I was 9 when DC came out so I didn't get to buy all the singles. Few years later I tried to get all the b sides. Only got deluxe edition of DC yesterday; I'd never heard Ansaphone before - this was the b side to Disco 2000, yeah? I think that's my favourite on this 2 cd edition. Can't get enough of it! Paula and Catcliffe Shakedown are other favourites. Had PTA, Mile End.
Jean, the version of Ansaphone on the Deluxe Edition is a demo - for some reason it's the only b-side on the deluxe editions that isn't in its full form. Which means that the properly produced version can still only be found on the Disco 2000 single. Well worth tracking down though as the 'proper' version is far easier on the ear in its pop-sheen glory than the scratchy demo (which I do quite like aswell - Ansaphone is one of the best songs Pulp ever wrote after all).
Oh cheers Eamonn, I thought it was that version that was on Disco 2000 single. Yeah I'm always bitter that I wasn't a teenager at the time; I could have bought all the singles at the time then. It's hard tracking down the old singles and they're usually feckin expensive when I do find them! It's one of those songs, loved it straight away, been playing it over and over and over! Cheers for the info.
Jean wrote:It's hard tracking down the old singles and they're usually feckin expensive when I do find them!
I know it might upset a few around here, but I don't see a big problem with having b-sides that are unavailable otherwise (i.e. not on the deluxe editions or the readily available Intro) on a shared account. It can be very costly tracking down singles for obscure b-sides (I know I have done it). There are probably a few people who came to Pulp later and also those like me who didn't get every single especially those like Disco 2000/Hardcore/Party Hard/Trees that just had alternative mixes. Of course, it would be better if Island did release a CD with all the stuff that isn't on the deluxe editions in one cheap CD (or double).
Our esteemed moderator has already pointed out that whilst he's not philosophically opposed to file sharing, he doesn't want to involve himself into any potential legal wranglings. Nobody here can stop you from sharing files if you choose to do so, but please do not do it under the auspices of this forum.
I can't download anyway, don't own this computer - fear of getting viruses. I'd be more than happy to buy a cd comprised of all the b sides, 80s stuff and all that. I mean there are plenty of songs that I still haven't heard. Srepski Jeb, Rattlesnake, loads of others. Then again part of the fun is in the hunt isn't it? Anyway I never thought I'd find Ansaphone, Cocaine Socialism, You're A Nightmare etc. so I'm grateful enough for the deluxe editions, wouldn't say no to a compilation of more b sides and odd stuff though!
Fuss Free wrote:Our esteemed moderator has already pointed out that whilst he's not philosophically opposed to file sharing, he doesn't want to involve himself into any potential legal wranglings. Nobody here can stop you from sharing files if you choose to do so, but please do not do it under the auspices of this forum. I did not write I was sharing files. And to quote our esteemed moderator....
Steve Devereux wrote:THE FIRST RULE First off, ABSOLUTELY no discussion about the copying and sharing of commercially-available material. (Discussion of the entirely unrelated Yahoo e-mail account is entirely permissible, provided it's made clear it has nothing to do with the site. If someone asks for something commercially available to be put in there, tell them politely that that's not how it works.) This is an absolute cast iron rule. It is a silly rule, caused by stupid people and their lawyers, but it is not open to debate. To be more explicit (I skirted around the topic initially so as not to break the FIRST RULE, and ask people to load up a couple of b-sides I wanted) - Are deleted records commercially available?
I don't want to debate this, just a clarification. And once the situation is clarified, I suggest my posts in the thread be deleted in case any legal wranglings arise.
I would say not, as it is only possible to buy them in second hand markets where none of the money goes to the artist. But I will defer to any decision.
Well, I suppose some elaboration is a good idea, rather than just me shouting "No discussion of sharing commercially available material!" without defining what that is supposed to cover. Plus, I really hate censoring the board. Hate hate hate. So, here we go.
Anyway, regarding your question... It's a difficult one, that. The beef seemed to be about "commercially available" material, rather than recordings in which Universal-Island (or whatever they're calling themselves now) own the rights. Nonetheless, it's pretty indisputable that UI do own the rights in those long-deleted b-sides, and are entirely entitled to protect those rights. The recent appearance of the Deluxe Editions makes it very, very difficult to argue that those tracks couldn't be reissued at some point, no matter how unlikely their being left off the Deluxe Editions actually makes that prospect. Also - and my internet connection is somewhat bollocksed at the moment, so I can't check the current situation on itunes, MSN or whatever - even if those old singles aren't available for purchase and commercial download right now (and I've no idea), they could theoretically be added at any time - it would take two minutes and a click of a UI mouse to turn "long-unavailable rarity" into "commercially available".
Given all of that, I'd probably say no, it's not really a good idea; the rule of thumb, I think, has to be that something which was once "commercially-available" - and I think the entirely arbitrary working definition on the old board was "something that has appeared on a Pulp record generally available in UK record shops at some point since about 1992" - remains so forever. Now, obviously, that opens up a whole murky world of anomalies, since a blind eye has traditionally been turned to discussion of random one-off showings from long-disappeared tribute albums, charity albums, guest appearances on other artists' albums etc, so long as they're not available online, as well as promo-only or non-UK stuff. None of that is technically any better, or any less likely to get me into legal trouble, but it hasn't so far, for whatever reason, so I think the Rule 1 "line" - if it's going to be drawn anywhere - should be at the aforementioned Pulp-UK shops-1992 mark. This sweeps up every Pulp Island commercial release, all the Fire albums, and everything which appeared on any of the 814 budget compilation reissues of earlier material, and obviously it should cover all the Jarvis and Relaxed Muscle stuff too. Any discussion of downloading or sharing anything more than 30-second sample snippets of this stuff, regardless of how difficult it might be to physically obtain a copy for money, is, I'm afraid, strictly verboten out-out-out-out. Anything else - the categories listed above, live recordings, demos, out-takes which so far as you know have no commercial value... I don't think discussion of sharing those is a problem, though the site will of course take note of any changes in the status of any of that material, and will obviously be forced to comply with any legal correspondence which takes issue with this policy.
And... relax. Breathe out.
Of course, it's universally acknowledged and agreed that the site has nothing whatsoever to do with the Yahoo account of the same name, which was set up by someone else entirely without the consent of the site, and that the site has absolutely no control over what gets posted in there etc., isn't it?
Steve Devereux wrote:Of course, it's universally acknowledged and agreed that the site has nothing whatsoever to do with the Yahoo account of the same name, which was set up by someone else entirely without the consent of the site, and that the site has absolutely no control over what gets posted in there etc., isn't it?
Thanks for the clarification.
Of course, it is nothing to do with this forum, it's not even the same name, it's baritalia2005! Quite different.
Anyway, as baritalia2005 is 88% full, baritalia2006 and baritalia2007 are open for business (with the very predictable pulp2006 and pulp2007 as passwords). A little birdy told me that,
