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http://www.nme.com/news/jarvis-cocker/26887



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Hardly surprising. I honestly don't mind if Pulp re-form or not (cf. "We Love Life"), as long as he releases top-drawer material. Which means a little better than "Jarvis", please. I'd rather a little bit of experimentation than comfy strum-alongs about the weather.

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the article doesnt say anything new really
it doesn't even say Pulp won't reform. infact, after ready that it made me think that theres MORE of a chance that pulp will reform somewhere down the line...



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bands reforming is almost always a bad idea and it end up being disappointing. id rather have jarvis do a good solo career than a Pup reunion. With the records they put out in the 90s, the bar is high and i doubt they could top that.

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Christ!

That NME "article" takes the original interview with The Tripwire, distorts it terribly, and rearranges Jarv's words in the most inaccurate ways.

Here's the real interview:

http://www.thetripwire.com/features/2007/3/6/twenty-minutes-with-jarvis-cocker-the-interview

As you'll see, it barely resembles the NME article. And I do believe the interviewer, Erin Chandler, has been to this board from time to time. You see people, there is hope for us all.

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i see what you mean.... thats a really good interview - ta for the link.

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The Britpop fans around here might enjoy the other interviews with Brett Anderson and Neil Hannon.

Sturdy, if I were you, I'd be chuffed. You spent 10 years researching your 500+ page omnibus on Pulp and Jarvis never bothers to give you even 10 minutes of his time, but now it seems Jarvis will gladly oblige any two-bit blogger with a phone. Where's the justice, eh?

-- Edited by Fuss Free at 14:43, 2007-03-08

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Fuss Free wrote:

The Britpop fans around here might enjoy the other interviews with Brett Anderson and Neil Hannon.

Sturdy, if I were you, I'd be chuffed. You spent 10 years researching your 500+ page omnibus on Pulp and Jarvis never bothers to give you even 10 minutes of his time, but now it seems Jarvis will gladly oblige any two-bit blogger with a phone. Where's the justice, eh?

-- Edited by Fuss Free at 14:43, 2007-03-08


Too right. It wasn't ten years though...I hope. Mark could have spent that time training to be an aeronautical engineer or something.

Did Pulp's management even ask Jarvis what he thought of the idea of such a big literary under-taking on his band? I remember the book mentions that as Jarvis wasn't too keen, they thought it best not to bother the rest of the group about it but Nick and Russell were forth-coming. Is this because they have minds of their own or Mark had contacts which came up trumps?

I wonder if any of the group have read the book. If not, it would be a shame. Any follower of interesting and intelligent pop music would do well to educate themselves on the Pulp story, and Sturdy's book captures all of it in great detail.

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The Idiot wrote:

Hardly surprising. I honestly don't mind if Pulp re-form or not (cf. "We Love Life"), as long as he releases top-drawer material. Which means a little better than "Jarvis", please. I'd rather a little bit of experimentation than comfy strum-alongs about the weather.


Yeah...like Quantum Theory. The real grower that improves on every listen. In fairness though, I think Heavy Weather is of the acoustic, heart-on-sleeve, Jarvis-on-acoustic-guitar balladry that he likes to imbue any record of his with at least one example, ever since Different Class (Something Changed, TV Movie, Birds In Your Garden).

That reminds me, when he played it on The Culture Show on the BBC in November, the presenter was attempting to extrapolate the meaning of it, saying how it captures the political climate or some such rubbish. A rather sheepish Jarvis replied along the lines of "Actually, it's about my relationship with the wife".



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It's the "acoustic, heart-on-sleeve Jarvis" that I can do without. Quantum Theory is more spooky and Walkeresque, though the "Everything is going to be all right" refrain lets it down... Russell would never have stood for that.

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yeah, tv movie and something changed are the exact opposite of the blueprint that i would want the JC solo career to continue from.  they are the Pulp songs i think are the least interesting overall.  (i was hoping for extensive, indulgent, 7 to 9 minute epics a la Deep Fried, Sex City, Hardcore, etc.)  


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Eamonn wrote:
Fuss Free wrote:

The Britpop fans around here might enjoy the other interviews with Brett Anderson and Neil Hannon.

Sturdy, if I were you, I'd be chuffed. You spent 10 years researching your 500+ page omnibus on Pulp and Jarvis never bothers to give you even 10 minutes of his time, but now it seems Jarvis will gladly oblige any two-bit blogger with a phone. Where's the justice, eh?


Too right. It wasn't ten years though...I hope. Mark could have spent that time training to be an aeronautical engineer or something.

Did Pulp's management even ask Jarvis what he thought of the idea of such a big literary under-taking on his band? I remember the book mentions that as Jarvis wasn't too keen, they thought it best not to bother the rest of the group about it but Nick and Russell were forth-coming. Is this because they have minds of their own or Mark had contacts which came up trumps?

I wonder if any of the group have read the book. If not, it would be a shame. Any follower of interesting and intelligent pop music would do well to educate themselves on the Pulp story, and Sturdy's book captures all of it in great detail.


Fuss Free - thanks for that, just twist the knife why don't you! ;)

Eamonn - it was roughly seven years. Bear in mind that during that period I also managed to do A-levels, a degree in Philopsophy and a few day jobs!

Pulp's management did ask Jarvis about the book - or at least I think they did anyway. I pestered them for ages and ages, and all they could ever tell me was that they hadn't got an answer out of him "yet", or that he hadn't replied to his emails, or somesuch rubbish. It went on for two or three months and eventually I gave up, so naturally I've no idea what Jarvis really thought of the book... except that a year or two before that, I got Russell to sound him out for me and the most meaningful reply he could get out of him was that he wanted to remain "an enigma".

Nick and Russell came to me via different routes - Russell right at the start in '97 when I sent letters to everyone (including Jarvis). He was the only one who got back to me at the time and we just sporadically talked to each other through the years. We never did a proper interview as such but he told me lots of things informally, and that's where most of the quotes from him in the book come from.

I got Nick right at the very end. After I'd given up on the Rough Trade/Jarvis route, as a last ditch attempt I got Alex from Pulp People to pass on notes to all the other members pleading my case. Mark had already said no (again, for unknown reasons), Candida was busy moving I think, Steve never got back to me, but Nick was happy to give up a couple of afternoons to try and answer my endless list of silly questions, for which I will be eternally grateful.


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I'm right in the middle in the book and have to say a huge THANKS for all your work! It's really insightful . It is a shame you couldn't talk to Jarvis or get his opinion on the finished article, but who cares it's still awesome! I hope you're enjoying the new Jarvis material and I'm looking foreward to the revised edition.........!
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Sturdy, not to disregard your accomplishment, it's a great book, but I suppose I could see where Jarvis was coming from. As a "star of his magnitude", my guess is he probably thought he deserved a more respected biographer, someone with some established creditials, rather than an untested and very young fan. You know, he was probably just jealous that he didn't get the call from John Harris or Douglas Coupland or something.

But you've come a long way now. You've got your book, you've got your articles in Mojo, etc. etc. Maybe it's time you give Jarvis another call? If that doesn't work, tell him your Edith Piaf's manager and you want him to write some new songs for her big comeback album or something. He's a sucker for that stuff.

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i just think it was too soon. i mean they had their nose in it, they couldnt really "look" back on it as it was still happening. Even though you asked questions about early pulp, it was still a band that was going, and i suppose Jarvis couldnt be arsed because of that.

anyway, this book is really great, the work you did on it is amazing, especially since you were just a teenager when you begun.

did you make money at all with it ? i mean, it probably sold like 30 copies.

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I loved the book too, Sturdy. I think it's about time I gave it a re-read (Just as soon as I'm finished with Vic Reeves' book which I can also highly recommend!

As for Pulp not reforming - I can't really see what the story is there. Great interview but I think it must be a slow news day in the nme office as they have just piled together a load of words from Jarvis and come out with bullshit!

we still hope but to be honest I'm looking forward to the second Jarvis solo record now.

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Thanks to all of you for your kind words.

FF - maybe you're right, who knows. By and large I'm past caring; he said 'no' and that's that. If he ever wants to tell me why then that would be interesting, but I'm not going to spend the rest of my life guessing. The chances of me "giving Jarvis another call" at this point, by the way, are nil! My writing days are over, for now at least.

Andy - it's sold 3,000 copies and counting. As for money... what a rude question!

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i'd also like to congratulate you on the book. i loved it!
took be about a year to read it but it was worth it!

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to be honest I'm looking forward to the second Jarvis solo record now

Is there any indication that he's going to push on and record more this year? He doesn't seem to be intent on massive-scale touring so new material isn't really too much to expect, is it?


I'd also like to doff my cap to Master Sturdy's tome. It's so refreshing to read a well-written music biography about an artist that actually has a story.

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"Pulp's management did ask Jarvis about the book - or at least I think they did anyway. I pestered them for ages and ages, and all they could ever tell me was that they hadn't got an answer out of him "yet", or that he hadn't replied to his emails, or somesuch rubbish. It went on for two or three months and eventually I gave up,
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hi....to be honest, i know that he doesn't reply to emails. i worked on a magazine and the first time they wanted an interview out of him he just never, ever replied to any emails. My pal that was going to do the interview knew that his agent/roughtrade/whoever wasn't bullshitting him - if he had said no they would have been honest and said that he'd said no (sorry rambling sentence). maybe when he doesn't want to do stuff he just ignores it and hopes they go away, so i'd be inclined to believe pulps management...

about a year or so later he did do an interview, after i'd left that magazine grrrrrr!!!!

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I just wanted to say that I finished the book about a week ago and I really enjoyed it. Really informative and interesting throughout; oh, and that picture of Jarvis and Russell topless In 1986 amuses me every time 

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Yeah, that photo is great!

I used it for the cover of pulp mix CD I once made. I titled the cd: "We Shagged Your Byrd". It was well-received.

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i know that he doesn't reply to emails.



 



Funny that, when he seems to spend a lot of time on Myspace and the web in general. Maybe that was the old technophobic Jarvis...

This thread reminds me that my mate has still got my copy of Sturdy's book. Will have to get it back.

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I love 'Jarvis' MUCH MORE than Pulp. Although I really like the whole album 'Different Class', some of the songs from This is Hadcore and 'His'n'Hers'.

INCIDENTALLY, Jarvis did mention in 2006 interview that he tried to avoid britpop in his new album 'Jarvis'. Well, I just wonder what genre he considered to be his new album 'Jarvis'. As far as I know it's britpop...

I'm really looking forward for Jarvis's new solo album! Does anyone know any info about the new album? Let me know!

-- Edited by Heady at 20:54, 2007-03-17

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Fuss Free wrote:

Sturdy, not to disregard your accomplishment, it's a great book, but I suppose I could see where Jarvis was coming from. As a "star of his magnitude", my guess is he probably thought he deserved a more respected biographer, someone with some established creditials, rather than an untested and very young fan. You know, he was probably just jealous that he didn't get the call from John Harris or Douglas Coupland or something.

But you've come a long way now. You've got your book, you've got your articles in Mojo, etc. etc. Maybe it's time you give Jarvis another call? If that doesn't work, tell him your Edith Piaf's manager and you want him to write some new songs for her big comeback album or something. He's a sucker for that stuff.

-- Edited by Fuss Free at 20:43, 2007-03-08


John Harris!?

*rolls eyes*



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