Jock Mooney wrote:

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I, like a few others I expect, am slightly dissapointed by this forthcoming single release.

I think a single should be representative of whats on the album , and really DLHWYT isn't, the fact that it isn't a single heavy album doesn't help ...though talking of heavy, I think "Heavy Weather" would have made a lot more sense, what with Radio 2 actually already playing it and all...

I really can't see this single setting fire to any record sales, and I'm suprised that after the download only release of Running the world, that Rough Trade are now taking this response.

Fat Children, Black Magic, or Heavy Weather would have been better choices - or why not be "crazy" and release a new song as a single, thats what they used to do in the old days, and I'm suprised that Jarvis hasn't followed this up, "One Man Show" could have been it, or the rather catchy "Big Stuff"....surely he can't be bothered about the chart position?

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Whilst I agree the single isn't representative of the album, nor its best track, there is some sense to it.  It's is obviously more TV friendly and could easily be performed on Parkinson, Ross or any other TV chat show you care to name.  And it gives extra exposure to the album, which is the only point in releasing singles these days, given the paltry sales figures.

Personally, I think Fat Children is the only single on there, but it's not as TV friendly.

 

Jock Mooney wrote:

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Perhaps Fat Children isn't as TV friendly, but I've seen it performed on TV, and not "Don't Let Him Waste Your Time" - funny that....

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Vice versa - though it was Nancy Sinatra singing it that time. 

I just think that mainstream shows would be happier broadcasting a song like that that the more sinister Fat Children.

I'm puzzled as to why Jarvis includes that and Baby's Coming Back To Me.  They were both written for Nancy Sinatra and the new versions aren't startlingly different. Maybe he just got lazy.

Don't suppose he'd redo Walk Like A Panther for the next single, would he?

The Idiot wrote:

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 ....and simply didn't have enough material to omit the Nancy songs.

I've seen both Fat Children and Don't Let Him Waste Your Time on TV, and, while they're two of the songs I like better, and certainly came across well in Koko, they'd be poor singles alongside almost anything from Hits.

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Could well be the case there were no more songs.  The new B-sides appear to be newer songs.  I suspect Black Magic was for Harry Potter and possibly Tonite as well.  Running the World also gives the impression of been around for a while.

Some of the singles on Hits were poor singles (The Trees springs to mind), but these are different times.  Jarvis is likely to be played on BBC Radio 2, whereas the singles, post-Hardcore, were unlikely to be played anywhere.

Maybe i'm lonely but i like this one. I received the promo single before album release then didnt heard a track of it and thinking: "Not a great single" but revised my first judgement after a few listenings.

The main synth riff reminds me some kind of King Crimson one! in the style of their 'Elephant' piece. I dont know which type of instrument Jarvis used for DLHWYT. So perhaps not the best track of the LP but a fine for me. 

The Idiot wrote:

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Well I did say almost anything on Hits. The Trees/Sunrise are just not single material, but other than that Pulp were a pretty great singles band. I suppose if you wanted to be fussy you could diss A Little Soul, but I like it.

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I think Pulp were the perfect singles band up until Help The Aged.  I couldn't fault any of their singles.  I wouldn't say they were necessarily favourite tracks on the albums, Disco 2000 certainly wasn't, but in their own right they were all good.

It's probably old ground, but from Help The Aged on the choice of singles wasn't the best.  I don't think Help The Aged should have been a single prior to Hardcore, and though Party Hard and Little Soul are good tracks, I was surprised they were released as singles.  The Fear and Dishes, in my opinion, would have been better.

With We Love Life, Sunrise could have been released in its own right, and Birds in Your Garden would have been a better single than Bad Cover Version.  However, I suspect at that point they weren't going to have any success with a single no matter what it was.

Apart from Hardcore, it was a shame that none of the other more epic Pulp tracks ever got a single release.  I Spy would have been a great single and changed some of the conceptions of Pulp at the time.

Fat Children would not match up to any of the pre-Hardcore singles (except maybe Something Changed,), but it would rank in the same category as the latter singles. 

I think Pulp were the perfect singles band up until Help The Aged. I couldn't fault any of their singles. I wouldn't say they were necessarily favourite tracks on the albums, Disco 2000 certainly wasn't, but in their own right they were all good.

But that's the point of singles, isn't it? I mean, before the charts died. To have a really catchy song that sixteen year-old girls will want to dance to. To me the great pop single is still not far off that T.Rex formula: a bit cheesy, a bit sexy, a bit novelty and very definitely groovy. What made Pulp special was that they had that, but also album tracks of a greater depth (or "different class", if you must). You can't really compare Acrylic Afternoons and Disco 2000, they're too different in scope and intention.

It's probably old ground, but from Help The Aged on the choice of singles wasn't the best. I don't think Help The Aged should have been a single prior to Hardcore, and though Party Hard and Little Soul are good tracks, I was surprised they were released as singles. The Fear and Dishes, in my opinion, would have been better.

I couldn't really argue with that. I remember when HTA came out feeling ever so slightly disappointed as it seemed a little Pulp-by-numbers, but then being really shocked and excited by TIH, one of my favourite songs ever. Don't know if it was a great choice for a single, but something like that is better than a bland strumalong ballad. PH is a song I've only relatively recently come to love - I was always put off the low octave vocal and Mr. Webber's guitar. What "Jarvis" really needs is a good dollop of Russell Senior.

Fat Children would not match up to any of the pre-Hardcore singles (except maybe Something Changed,), but it would rank in the same category as the latter singles.

Definitely.

I've stayed out of this discussion so far, i'm not bothered about singles or anything like that, i'm just purely happy that we have got some new material to listen to and more to look forward too.

Pye wrote:

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I've stayed out of this discussion so far, i'm not bothered about singles or anything like that, i'm just purely happy that we have got some new material to listen to and more to look forward too.

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Up until about two years ago I would have agreed.  Singles were dead and often full of remixes or old album tracks.

But since the revival of the 7", I have found that I don't worry that much about albums.   I can head off to HMV and buy half a dozen singles for less than £6 (they all tend to cost 99p on the first week).  For that, I get this nice piece of plastic, and paper covers that don't have microscopic writing on them.  In addition they sound great.  I have bought singles just because I read a decent review in NME of a band, and if they turn out to be crap, well it's less than a quid.

I'm looking forward to the Jarvis singles.  New tracks, a video and a podcast.  And probably all 3 formats for a fiver or less.

Starbucks Radio would totally play this song.

-- Edited by Fuss Free at 05:21, 2006-11-26