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"Just got my hands on Jarvis new solo album. After just one listening I am so disapointed. I'm hoping it will grow on me, but I'm afraid it won't..."

What exactly were you expecting the album to sound like? I'm just curious because it's exactly what I thought it would be: half-serious social commentary set to MOR tunes. The songs aren't particularly catchy, and you won't hear any of them in a club, but the lyrics are good, and Jarv's personality drives the album.

Someone also mentioned that there was no "sex" in the album. Perhaps you didn't realize that "Disney Time" is a song about porn?

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What exactly were you expecting the album to sound like? I'm just curious because it's exactly what I thought it would be: half-serious social commentary set to MOR tunes. The songs aren't particularly catchy, and you won't hear any of them in a club, but the lyrics are good, and Jarv's personality drives the album.




Well. First of all I didn't expect that much really, but at least better than this. I did not expect half-serious social commentary set to MOR tunes since I thought Jarvis didn't want to do half-serious stuff. But I was afraid that it would turn out that why. In early stages I was expecting some catchy tunes, something similar to Pulp and some tunes nothing like Pulp.

But I must confess, it's growing on me already.

The fact that two of the songs are old ones written for Nancy Sinatra just makes me think that Jarvis is lazy and that he hasn't put all the effort he could have done into the album.

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The fact that two of the songs are old ones written for Nancy Sinatra just makes me think that Jarvis is lazy and that he hasn't put all the effort he could have done into the album.

You're right. Jarvis is lazy. I understand he recorded the entire album live, presumably just so he could just get it over with as fast as possible. At some point you realize that Jarv's laziness is part of his appeal. He'll never be accused of trying too hard.

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I'm the same way with my music, but I have yet to develop that magic touch of his that always makes it turn out so great. At least he gives me something to aim for. Some musicians and actors feel that the magic comes in the first take, or the first few, and if you work too hard at it, it shows. I should probably do more takes, though, since a month or so after recording myself sing I can hear all the notes I missed. Mr. Cocker has the advantage of lots of friends and helpers who can tell him if he really ought to do another take.

This is probably rubbish, but it's late, and I'm just thinking "out loud". Sorry if I've added nothing.

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i think what set my expectations so high was that jarvis had planned to retire, then had to get the tunes out. it seemed like there was some sense of urgency to re-record the songs he gave Nancy Sinatra. which is baffling.

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The fact that two of the songs are old ones written for Nancy Sinatra just makes me think that Jarvis is lazy and that he hasn't put all the effort he could have done into the album.

You're right. Jarvis is lazy. I understand he recorded the entire album live, presumably just so he could just get it over with as fast as possible. At some point you realize that Jarv's laziness is part of his appeal. He'll never be accused of trying too hard.

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I expect after spending so long recording Hardcore, he never wants to go through that again!

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i think what set my expectations so high was that jarvis had planned to retire, then had to get the tunes out. it seemed like there was some sense of urgency to re-record the songs he gave Nancy Sinatra. which is baffling.
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I see your point. I think the urgency Jarvis felt was an excuse to get out of the house.

To me, the most laboured sounding songs on the album are also the least interesting (Black Magic, Heavy Weather, Don't Let Him Waste Your Time).

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I thought I read somewhere that different bits of the songs were recorded in different studios. Backing tracks in Sheffield; vocals in Paris. Something like that, anyway. It doesn't sound like a live-in-studio recording to me, really. I doubt he was singing with a live string section on "Big Julie," for instance.


 



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My first impressions: v dissapointing. The one stand out track is running the world - it has a tune, and Jarvis sings it with passion, which is something the rest of the Album lacks. I was hoping for more tunes like that.





i really dont understand why Running The World is so popular. i think its the worst song on there and i wouldnt have even put it in there at all. it doesnt fit (probably why its a secret track).


ps- i think Fat Children could theoretically be played in nightclubs



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I would agree with you that it doesn't fit - it's superior to the rest of the album.

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You really must dislike the album.



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I must be the only big Jarvis fan who's only heard the bonus track. Wikipedia says this album won't even be released in the UK until Nov. 13. How many of you have heard this legally? I'm fine with waiting; it makes it more fun. And if there's any musician in the world I want to support 100%, it's this one.



I guess no one has heard it legally unless they have an advanced copy.


I will buy it anyway, but that doesn't stop me having a good listen first.


As for supporting 100%, I guess having the entire Pulp/Relaxed Muscle back catalogue, and attending god knows how many gigs with Koko to come, makes me a mere 99% now I've heard it early  



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Heh, well, fair enough. You've supported him a whole lot more than I have already! I'll shut up.

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And I'll buy a used copy someday.

Which raises the question, do artists ever profit from the resale of used CDs?

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Hard to see how they could. I know if I sold a CD on eBay, I'd keep as much as I could.

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And I'll buy a used copy someday.

Which raises the question, do artists ever profit from the resale of used CDs?




Never really thought of it like that.  I only buy used/second hand if I can't get it ordinarily.  In fact, so called limited editions hack me off as you are forced to buy them (of course I do, and often second hand as I'm not always privvy to the initial sale).


Don't like buying 2nd hand as you never know what condition it is in.  And I have got a couple of things via eBay/Record Tape Exchange which were so bad I had to but them twice so hardly a bargain.


Nowadays, I think that if an album is deleted, it's fair game for, ahem, illegal copies.


All that said I will buy Jarvis as soon as I can (those re-issues can wait, I have the originals and they'll do for now)



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they dont get a thing from used / 2nd hand records.

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Hi, Fuss Free,

Just curious why you intend to buy a second hand copy. Is it cost or for a moral reason - like how I'd quite like to read Roy Keane's biography but would never buy it (would not want to bankroll that guy, especially now he's manager of Sunderland!).

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Music mag monthlies are out - pretty good reviews. Q give the lp a full page (which is more than any Pulp record got!), and a very complementary critique, rating 4 stars.


Mojo follows suit, and there's a 5 page interview with Jarvis too - not much asked about the lp, more a 'This Is Your Life' trip. Interestingly he cites the failure of 'Hit's as the ''silent fart'' that made him realise that not many people were too arsed about Pulp anymore. Though they will one day he says return for the ''Britpop reunion gig with Ecobelly and Menswear''. Worth a read though a lot of the questions are what he's been asked dozens of times before in the press.


Uncut (surprisingly, as they have always been fulsome of Pulp praise) and NME have given more reserved, perhaps going on reviews here, measured, reviews. 3 stars in Uncut and 7 out of 10 in the NME. Ironic really as of the 4 I would have said the 2 best reviews would have come from the more commonly Jarvis-lauded publications of Uncut and NME - he graced their front cover barely a month ago. Perhaps it was the ''slightly put-out'' Pulp fans doing the reviewing.



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Eamon- thanks for the updates. My thoughts are that NME and Uncut just have higher standards and better taste. 7 out of 10 sounds about right to me.


Ok. Rant time.


Littlesaint- When it comes to buying used records, I'd say it's 40% cashflow, 60% moral. As I see it, the record industry is scamming consumers. These days it costs a label around 8 cents to press each CD, yet they sell them for more than 100x that price. Whilst I understand there is an overhead cost to producing a record, I know people who've produced absolutely brilliant records with only the spare cash they scrounged together from waiting tables. Seems to me any band who spends a half million dollars to produce their album had better show us a work of absolute staggering genius in order to justify the expense. More often than not, that money ends up dusting somebody's nose or stuffing somebody's veins.


Why should so many bands slave away, doing odd jobs and recording in their scant spare time whilst these "superstars" prance around flippantly wasting everyone's time and money? It almost goes without saying that the Library Assistant who records music because it's her passion will turn out something better and more interesting than a "career band" anyway. If I ran a record label, I'd cut prices on CDs in half. I'd cut the fat, and tell bands they'd better deliver some songs or go deliver some pizzas. You know: work... like everyone else.


If I had more money I probably wouldn't care as much, but any good band should know a thing or two about poverty, and they should respect my situation as much as I respect theirs.


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Aaaah, I see. It does seem to be getting to the point where record companies and artists will be forced to cut their prices for CDs. Downloads are becoming much more popular and you can pick up CDs for next to nothing on eBay now (it's becoming so cheap that many people aren't even bothering to sell). I guess that's why Jarvis might be previewing his album on his website - he can see the industry for what it is.

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Even eBay is expensive compared to the Russian MP3 sites, for whom it's still legal to sell MP3s at 10-20 cents apiece. allofmp3.com has been a great source for me lately. That's why I can afford to put on an all-request radio show.

Which happens to be at by-request.net. I know, I'm shameless.

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Here's two of the broadsheet's verdicts:


 


Jarvis, Jarvis
***** (Rough Trade)

Alexis Petridis
Friday November 10, 2006
The Guardian








Jarvis, Jarvis
Buy Jarvis now
 


In November 2002, Pulp took their final curtain with a compilation album called Hits. It featured opaque sleevenotes from novelist Harland Miller and one last new song, Last Day of the Miners' Strike, that sketched out the trajectory of the early stages of Pulp's 21-year career against pithy recollections of life in the 80s. Hits would have counted as a well thought-out, enormously dignified coda to the career of one of the 90s' best-loved bands if it hadn't struggled to No 71 for one week, then immediately dropped out of the charts. It was, Jarvis Cocker recently noted, a "real silent fart" that precipitated his retirement to France: "For all this worrying and soul-searching, nobody was that arsed, evidently."

So you can't really blame Cocker for taking a more esoteric route to his comeback, in keeping with the rarefied, defiantly non-mainstream projects he has involved himself in since his retirement: fronting electro duo Relaxed Muscle while dressed, for reasons best known to himself, as a skeleton; winning Celebrity Stars in Their Eyes with a Rolf Harris impersonation made all the more piquant by the seriousness with which he evidently took the business of singing Two Little Boys in a false beard; The Trip, a startling compilation with a remit that stretched from the Birthday Party's Release the Bats to Radio 4 incidental music Sailing By; and, less loveably, recommending baleful US trio ARE Weapons to his manager, Rough Trade label boss Geoff Travis (Cocker was later spotted leaving an almost wilfully pathetic London ARE Weapons gig early, wearing what looked like an extremely sheepish expression). I'd never heard about that!


The comeback began in the summer with the download-only single Running The World, one of the few major releases this year for which the adjective "unprecedented" seems inadequate. It arrived with a video featuring the lyrics scrolling across the screen in follow-the-bouncing-ball style: "Bluntly put in the fewest of words," ran the chorus, delivered in a baritone croon, "cunts are still running the world." That was followed by a series of podcasts featuring Cocker reading Icelandic folk tales and JD Salinger short stories.

All of which suggested his debut solo album would be a far less accessible affair than it turns out to be. In Pulp, Cocker's abilities as a lyricist tended to mean that his melodic sense was overlooked - Common People remains the solitary hit of the Britpop era remembered for its lyrics rather than its tune. It's a balance the opening tracks of Jarvis seek to redress. Don't Let Him Waste Your Time and Black Magic are fantastic pop songs, both based around huge glam-rock riffs that sound naggingly familiar but prove impossible to place. Meanwhile, Baby's Coming Back To Me, a luscious ballad first heard rather disappointingly rendered by Nancy Sinatra on her eponymous 2004 album, here receives a fitting treatment, decorated with hypnotic xylophone sounds that recall Gassenhauer, the short piece by Carmina Burana composer Carl Orff with which Cocker chose to open The Trip.

It's possibly just as well that Cocker's way with a gorgeous tune is foregrounded: without it, Jarvis might prove an impossibly bleak listen. Running the World is relegated to secret-track status - its sudden appearance 20 minutes after the album has ended only adds to its startling, foul-mouthed impact - but its bitter, blackly comic worldview permeates the rest of the album. Even the love songs sound hopeless: by the end of Baby's Coming Back, it's established pretty thoroughly that Baby's never going anywhere near him again. Fat Children shifts its ire from the ruling elite to the underclass, with its protagonist murdered by the titular overweight hoodies. With typical deftness, the lyrics balance wit ("they wobbled menacingly under the yellow street light") with outrage: the police are "elsewhere, putting bullets in some guy's head for no particular reason", the attackers are the spawn of parents "giving birth to maggots without the sense to become flies". I Will Kill Again starts out listing a vision of domestic bliss to gentle flute and piano accompaniment - wife and kids, rabbits in the garden, the occasional glass of wine - only to become steadily darker as the song progresses: boredom, internet porn, false friendship, the murderous tendencies suggested in the title. It's all the more unsettling because it isn't entirely clear whether the lyric is meant as fiction or as an allegory for Cocker's return to the music business that famously led him to a breakdown at the height of Pulp's success.

It's the only moment on Jarvis where you ponder the wisdom of Cocker's decision to unretire himself: the rest of the time you just feel grateful that such a unique voice has returned at full power. The question of whether it will be any better received commercially than Pulp's final releases hangs over the album, but artistically at least, Jarvis is an idiosyncratic triumph.


 


 


 



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Jarvis
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Jarvis Cocker must remember the golden age of pop stars, the pre-punk era of Bowie and Ferry and men from Mars (or Hull) who were beamed down to Earth via Top of the Pops every Thursday. But even shiny young heroes age and have to find another role. Not everyone can model old man’s duds for M&S.


No wonder Cocker seemed so lost when Pulp gradually ground to a halt. He was already in his thirties when he rode Britpop to fame, and his true contemporaries are writing Bafta-winning comedies or presenting chat shows. Music remains a young man’s game. So it really is a pleasure to find that his first solo record can bear comparison with anything he’s produced. 


After some recent dabbling in the comedy electro-punk of Relaxed Muscle and songwriting for such icons as Nancy Sinatra and Charlotte Gainsbourg, Cocker has rediscovered his own strengths. With the guitarist Richard Hawley and bassist Steve Mackey, from his former band, he seems revived, while his sardonic wit is as sharp as ever.



The brilliant Don’t Let Him Waste Your Time, Sheffield Spector at its finest, has been retrieved from Nancy Sinatra and rearranged to Cocker’s satisfaction. The tinkling Baby’s Coming Back to Me is now heartbreaking and sarcastic simultaneously. The tense Black Magic very deliberately echoes Crimson and Clover, the Tommy James and the Shondells US chart topper from 1968.

Such a blatant steal is unusual. The beauty here is generally in the details. So the comically evil ballad I Will Kill Again features a piano part reminiscent of Bowie’s Changes.

Morrissey might have enlisted Tony Visconti to add a touch of Starman to his last record, but this is smarter. Hawley is Cocker’s Johnny Marr too. His Velvet Underground-inspired twang sprawls all over the much quoted From A to I as Cocker glumly declares: “They want our way of life, well they can take mine any time they like.” 

Maybe it’s a consequence of middle age — he’s now 43 and a father — but Cocker just can’t hide his dismay. He mocks Daily Mail attitudes, yet on the thumping Fat Children (took my life) he sings of how “the parents are the problem/ giving birth to maggots without the sense to become flies”. But adulthood doesn’t have to be negative. On Tonite, the one song that sounds more Hawley than Cocker, he warns his own camp followers that “the night belongs to lovers, so show some respect”. 

Cocker retains his empathy with the misfits. The lovely Big Julie (presumably a nod to his reclusive friend Scott Walker’s Big Louise), another song for, and about, one of the outsiders, wriggles with frustrated potential.

His frustration is very adult though, that of a man who can’t believe he’s again seeing the idiocy that he grew up kicking against.

The hidden track Running the World (nasty folk, according to the obscenely catchy chorus) was apparently inspired by the very fact that Live 8 needed to be staged. Plus ça change, as Cocker, now resident in Paris, must surely believe.  

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And The Irish Times' Friday review supplement The Ticket has this:

CD OF THE WEEK

[four stars]

In the mid-1990s, a handful of indie acts constituted record company gold by grabbing the ears of the alternative media and storming the charts at the same time. Ten years on and The Tears are a paler imitation of Suede, Oasis have beached on the cusp of a "Best Of" release, while Damon Albarn has morphed into a simian-loving cartoon*. Pulp's frontman, meanwhile, has temporarily left the bosom of his band for a solo venture. Based on Jarvis, it's a shame he didn't come back sooner. Part soapbox, part poetic manifesto, it's an impressive record that demonstrates Cocker's growth as a songwriter.

Looking every bit the trendy, foppish uncle, Cocker hasn't ditched the whimsicality. But instead of mellowing with age, Cocker's irreverent side has expanded, proven by hidden track Running The World. Who else would pun on the title of a charity song, release it one year after Live 8 and use the word "cunt" repeatedly in the chorus? He's as rebellious as ever, though the in-your-face archness is tempered by universal concerns. As a reinvented guru on Don't Let Him Waste Your Time, Cocker advises a friend about a wastrel boyfriend. He worries about "the children" on Disney Time as an eerie female choir sways in the background.

Musically, it's tight-as-hell while managing to sound loose-limbed. Church bells seep into Black Magic with its rolling rock chorus, and xylophone-led Baby's Coming Back To Me is a love song worthy of Nick Cave or Stuart Staples. Welcome back, Jarvis, it's been way too long.




* Apparently Damon Albarn likes monkeys now too.

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