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On first listen, I'm rather disappointed. The arrangements are flaccid and lacking any memorable melodic qualities (notable exceptions being "Black Magic," which is basically a cover of "Crimson and Clover," and the old-news "Don't Let Him Waste Your Time"). The lyrics lack any of the insight, humour, or emotional bearing of the Pulp stuff we're all still listening to, and the vocals sound groggy, like he'd gone into the studio immediately after Christmas dinner. Worst of all, all these songs are completely unsexy. Jarvis appears to have gone from unlikely libertine to 40-year-old virgin.

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i thought the same thing. but i keep plying it. now there's some real growers on there. as soon as you accept the fact that jarvis has abandoned his larger-than-life, breathy Pulp perv, you start to really enjoy the songs that hang together as an effective album Heavy Weather is kind of rubbish though. Disney Time and Big Julie are the big growers...

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At the mo, i like the album every 2 listens.

the first two songs are really too slow, its like speed em up a little man. Stormy weather is either good or completly shite to me ears. Big julie's grown a bit on me. i stil dont get Quantum theory and Tonite is still unecessary.


About Black Magic / Crimson and Clover : the music is indeed the same, but the melody is not. we'll see if the credits are shared on this one but i fear a lawsuit


i was reviewing my itunes list yesterday and though, fuck, how good (better) would it have been with Magic Work, Hippogriff and This is the Night on this record. i know they're harry potter song but they would have given a boost to "Jarvis".



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I've heard From A To I, Fat Children and Kill Again, once.


From A To I - I want to listen to that again. It sounded fantastic - a mellow and almost upbeat acceptance of the end of our world. I can't really comment much, as I only heard it once. It's very catchy. "Like the Roman Empire fell away, let me say we're going the same way" is what I can remember, along with some pleasingly Pulpy* beepy bits in the chorus.


Fat Children - I didn't like the voice Cocker was singing when this started, but as the song went on it became really good fun. I do like it. I can imagine this being played in (noisy) pubs, and being appreciated by most.


I Will Kill Again has some great singing on it, and is almost a modern day (awaiting to be proven wrong here, it will happen...)  59 Lyndhurst Grove. Not in that he's ripping someone to shreds, rather it's a soft, slow listing of a dull life, with someone warning that he'll kill again if he gets the chance. Some mighty fine singing here.


From what I've heard, there are lots of things to look forward to. The music seems more everyday, guitar and drums leading the way an awful lot, maybe. I wish the songs I heard had the full Pulp line-up making the music behind it, but after hearing what I've heard, I'm certainly excited.


*I do like that phrase, Pleasingly Pulpy. That should be a forum rank, Steve...



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I listen to it once, don't like it very much. But it'll probably grow on me when I own it on vinyl. I need to whole package.

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First review is on:


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/reviews/story/0,,1892790,00.html


"Beautifully sequenced, Jarvis makes the case for albums as opposed to downloads: it begins, walks the high-wire between light and dark with outraged grace, and resolves itself within space and uplift." (5 stars)



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i'm just past my first listen of the album. very cheeky! so far i love 'don't let him waste your time', and i'm still waiting for 'quantum theory' to speed up a bit (then it could be quite excellent - everything is going to be alright...). i quite like 'running the world' though - it's almost worth the half-hour wait!


considering i've had relaxed muscle in the stereo lately there's no excessive swearing or general inappropriateness on this one... sadly it just seems a bit of a let-down coming in the wake of the reissues.


and does the intro to 'big julie' not completely reek of holy bible-era manic street preachers?


and 'pleasingly pulpy' is the most awesome thing ever! thank you.


 



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tamzen wrote:



and does the intro to 'big julie' not completely reek of holy bible-era manic street preachers? 





So long as there's no ludicrous "A slave begins by demanding justice" nonsense, it's all good by me.



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I've downloaded the record and just finished listening to it the first time through.

Initial impressions... The first four tracks didn't impress me, but after Heavy Weather it picks up. It's a deaply cynical record, isn't it. I like that. It's certainly more world weary than This is Hardcore. I think a lot of people are going to gravitate to "Don't Let Him Waste Your Time" because it's upbeat and jaunty, but personally, I think that song feels tacked on. It doesn't mesh well with the rest of the album, and sets you up for a record that it isn't.

My favourite tracks at the moment are "From A to I", and "I WIll Kill Again". If I wanted to prove Jarv's genius to a skeptical friend, those are the songs I'd play.

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The world and its mother will have heard this album by the time it comes out - a shame it's leaked so early (downloaded nearly 1,000 times already on oink), bound to effect sales.


I think I'll be traditional and hold out until the release date.



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My Thoughts:

Don't Let Him Waste Your Time
A nice, solid start. Heavier than the Pulp sound but not as heavy as Relaxed Muscle. I can see this being a single. I could see the public accepting it well.

Black Magic
This works. The Crimson and Clover bits are good but the highlight is the bells.

Heavy Weather
Pretty harmless bit of pop. Imagine the Beach Boys with guitars. It is not my favourite off the album but it's still pretty good.

I Will Kill Again
Jarvis' voice is very good. I'm not normally a fan of slow songs but this is ok. I can imagine a lot of reviewers claiming that this is the best track on the album.

Baby's Coming Back To Me
I don't like this one. Sounds cheap and nasty. A major letdown after I Will Kill Again. The worst song on the album.

Fat Children
People will probably disagree with me on this one but I don't think it's all that good. The lyrics are ok but the song just doesn't do it for me.

From A to I
Very Divine Comedy. But that's not a bad thing. Another one that the reviewers will like. Would have been a good closing track.

Disney Time
My favourite song off the album. The way Roadkill should have sounded. It sounds a little like something you could find on Scott 4 or the good side of 'Til the Band Comes In or even We Love Life.

Tonite
It's not as bad as people are making out. In fact, I quite like this one. It would have sounded better earlier on in the album.

Big Julie
Again, Divine Comedy springs to mind. Pretty average for me. Needs more listens.

Quantum Theory
I'll have to have another listen and get back to you on this.


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The world and its mother will have heard this album by the time it comes out - a shame it's leaked so early (downloaded nearly 1,000 times already on oink), bound to effect sales.


I think I'll be traditional and hold out until the release date.





 


i'm always here defending illegal downloading (and oink). I don't think high downloads equals a lowering of sales. This is just my opinion of course (i don't have any number to back this up) but i think the only time high downloads would cause a decrease of sales would be when the album is rubbish/different to what people expected.  


if the album is enjoyable people who were going to buy the album before will still buy it as i think people still like cds. If the album turns out to be rubbish (i'm speaking about any album, not Jarv's specifically) then the artist can't blame people for not parting with their cash


i advocate "try before you buy"



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....totally. maybe it lowers the sells to say 5%, but not more, espcially on "products" like that. its not atomic kitten or whatever.


out of 1000 people that d/l because it was free , maybe 25 % wre gonna be buying it no matter what, and the rest would have just listened to the singles or burned a copy from their hometown library. i mean, its not because 1000 people dl an album that those 1000 people were gonna buy the album. that's what record companies would like us to think, but its completly untrue.


what's gonna be trickier, its with kids that will be growing up with digital d/ls and that never stepped a foot in a record store.


anyway, i'll be buying it, coz music without a physical release...there's something missing.



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I never said that 1000 downloads = 1000 sales lost. I said it was bound to have an effect on sales - the 5% figure could be right. As for 'people liking cds', people also like to save a few quid when they can. But I do agree that it is great that people who would hitherto have a passing interest in Jarvis (and therefore would have been unlikely to spend a tenner on his album) get a chance to check him out for free before deciding whether they rate him or not.


Maybe what saddens me a bit is the disappearance of the first day/week of sale when everyone rushes to the record store to buy a long-awaited album and there's an excited buzz among those fans. Now it's more a case of most people listening to it on their pc's up to (or over in this case) a month in advance of the cd being on sale so the 'official release' can't help but be a climax.


My sister texted me earlier asking me had I heard the album, saying it was great. The same sister that I've probably bored for years going on about Pulp and Jarvis. It felt quite strange, her having heard it before me!


Oh and an interesting thing I've noticed - Pulp fans (well, us on here in the main anyway) seem to have been disappointed/under-whelmed by the lp going by most of the re-actions so far. While other general fans of music (people on a couple of other forums, DJs and my sister) all seem to have taken to it straight away. Which is kind of refreshing - if it's a solo album it shouldn't sound like a Pulp one, and from what I've heard on the radio (Heavy Weather and Fat Children) it sounds like a non-Pulp Jarvis record. So maybe it's natural that it's going to take us lot a few listens before hailing its genius...here's hoping anyway.



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Maybe what saddens me a bit is the disappearance of the first day/week of sale when everyone rushes to the record store to buy a long-awaited album and there's an excited buzz among those fans. Now it's more a case of most people listening to it on their pc's up to (or over in this case) a month in advance of the cd being on sale so the 'official release' can't help but be a climax.






agreed. back then, in the 90s, when we were young (what an old cunt must i sound like saying that), there was nothing better than running away from school at lunchtime to buy, say This is hardcore, and wonder on the way to the shop if its was gonna be a huge record or a huge letdown. i guess now music is a product like anything else, like food, or whatever. and that reflects on new acts, which are more products than artists. not saying pulp oasis or the beatles werent products, but at least, they created a common memory. i dont think franz ferdinand or the killers will create any kind of good memory among teens nowadays. i could be wrong, i hope i am, but when i go the music shops now, its kinda depressing. i dont feel excitment, i just feel like im in a supermarket.



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A few years ago when I was earning loads of money, I would spend most of it on CDs. But the last few years I've had trouble holding down steady employment and I can't afford to buy CDs anymore. So I gladly download the records, and I proudly blame society.

There is also this issue of releasing CDs in one english-speaking country at a time that aggravates me to no end. Where is the logic of releasing "Jarvis" in the UK without providing a North American domestic release date to look forward to? Of course anyone in North America who is interested in the album is going to download it rather than pay the stiff tariffs on imports. What's more, it makes me feel as if the record labels don't give a damn about my business, which further encourages me to download. Fuck them I say. They obviously don't want my money, so they won't be getting it.

CDs are dramatically overpriced to begin with. They should cost about $5 (3 quid?). Maybe 15 years ago an album was expensive to produce, but I've heard some absolutely brilliant records that were made with less than $5,000 pocket cash. Stop doing coke off the audio board.


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for me, i have to own the cd, i like the complete package and i like contributing to the sucess of the bands success. They have to be worth it though, i rarely buy albums. I remember waiting for andy's records or our price to open before school to buy pulp's singles and albums and listening to them at dinner time.



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i've listened to the album twice now and i have to say its gearing up to be a classic! gets better each time you hear it. i absolutely love the song "i will kill again", sends a shiver down your spine. i also love fat children and big julie. this will probably change after my 3rd 4th listens...


does anyone know if the albums gonna come out on vinyl?


ps- did anyone else see Jarvis at the barbican on saturday night doing histoire de melody nelson? fantastic!



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i was there! the first half went over my head, jarv was excellent, badly drawn boy was horrific, do you think he even rehearsed before? though when he sang in the girls voice he was ok



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i really liked the first half


i think the best bit was actually Gruff Rhyss though. his voice just fitted the song best i thought.


got a full vid of the jarvis bit. its a bit jerky but the sound quality is ok. will probs put it up on youtube when i get chance



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bob_ferris wrote:


i've listened to the album twice now and i have to say its gearing up to be a classic! gets better each time you hear it. i absolutely love the song "i will kill again", sends a shiver down your spine. i also love fat children and big julie. this will probably change after my 3rd 4th listens...



I have listened to it twice and am finding it pretty bland musically.   Lyrically it is good, but there isn't a memorable tune (bar cunts) in the whole thing.   I popped it on my MP3 player along with the Peel Sessions, and as the latter followed was struck by how impressive Turkey Mambo Mama was after Jarvis.


Maybe I need to listen again, but it's shaping up to be my least favourite Jarvis album (Pulp/Relaxed Muscle) since Freaks.....



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Heard the album on Saturday, after my boyfriend's parents (don't ask) got a bootleg.

My first impressions: v dissapointing. The one stand out track is running the world - it has a tune, and Jarvis sings it with passion, which is something the rest of the Album lacks. I was hoping for more tunes like that.

The rest of the albumn is like a whole album full of Bob Lind. One of the things that I like about Jarvis is that he always gives the vocals his all and is very expressive. I like the fact on Pulp stuff, it's a bit all over the place, some falsetto and some songs where he digs out the bottom notes. But on this album, he sings in the same octive all the time, which is boring. Actually saying it's like an album full of Bob Lind is a bit of an insult to Bob Lind because at least he goes up an octive towards the end of Bob Lind and gets quite passionate.

Postives: The guitar work is good. And Running the World, God knows why it's just a bonus track. the lyrics are alright. But certainly not Observer Music Monthly album of the week.

Having said all that, I'll give it a chance. It might grow on me. Sorry to be so miserable, but I'm not convinced.


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I'll definitely be buying the album on its release date, but I have already 'acquired' it. And if anything, I'm more excited about buying it. I'll have to have a few more listens before I can write a review worth reading, but I'm very impressed with what I hear. I just wish Jarvis would do a proper UK tour!



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Just got my hands on Jarvis new solo album. After just one listening I am so disapointed. I'm hoping it will grow on me, but I'm afraid it won't...

The reissues are at least ten times better! :)

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I must be the only big Jarvis fan who's only heard the bonus track. Wikipedia says this album won't even be released in the UK until Nov. 13. How many of you have heard this legally? I'm fine with waiting; it makes it more fun. And if there's any musician in the world I want to support 100%, it's this one.

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