Ballsy to release an album just over 20 minutes long. Where does an EP stop and an LP begin...?
Fender and Fontaines probably the biggest challengers to CMAT. Can't see Wolf Alice or Pulp being "allowed" to win it twice. St PJ Harvey is a one-off.
Weed, if you're reading, you're in Newcastle right? Tickets are available and not too expensive.
-- Edited by Eamonn on Wednesday 10th of September 2025 11:27:58 AM
I noticed CMAT and her music when she released her 1st album. Very happy to see her on the list again. Tried to listen to some albums from the shortlist this morning, but, honestly, some music styles are not for me. ... Hard to say who's gonna win. But 4 nominated is pretty cool.
-- Edited by lucyduck on Wednesday 10th of September 2025 06:46:13 PM
I think her being a singular, female artist in a still male-dominated area and the fact that Let England Shake - her second album to win - was a kind of state-of-the-nation address, helped her cause second time round.
Also, I can't remember what the competition was like that year but this time round it's pretty tough. Fontaines, Fender and CMAT are all beloved by critics and young folk.
Fender and Fontaines probably the biggest challengers to CMAT. Can't see Wolf Alice or Pulp being "allowed" to win it twice. St PJ Harvey is a one-off.
They arent particularly sentimental in selecting the winning album as proved when Blackstar did not win in 2016 as many (well pretty much everyone) expected. Also given English Teacher won last time out, they will probably select something less indie/alternative, but it would be nice if Pulp did win. A bit surprised that none of suedes comeback albums were not nominated and down the years, there have been a few excellent albums that were not nominated (Dog Man Star??) and some absolute duffers that were. Still cant believe M People won in 1994, though preferable to Take That.
Is anyone else going to this? Pulp are confirmed to perform.
Two of the favourites, CMAT and Fontaines DC, are unlikely to play (wisdom teeth pain and new babba respectively) which might subliminally increase Pulp's chances. Still expect one of the above Irish acts or Sam Fender, in his hometown, to win though.
Is anyone else going to this? Pulp are confirmed to perform.
Two of the favourites, CMAT and Fontaines DC, are unlikely to play (wisdom teeth pain and new babba respectively) which might subliminally increase Pulp's chances. Still expect one of the above Irish acts or Sam Fender, in his hometown, to win though.
I thought Pulp were just submitting a video performance? Jarv mentioned they had to go and record it during one of their American radio interviews.
I don't live far from Newcastle, but not even slightly tempted to go. Tickets are reasonable at about £35, but it's in a charmless venue - the Arena is just a vast concrete shed. What size venues do they usually host it in? Doesn't look that big on the telly... the ex cinema / bingo hall type venues would be more suitable, I would think, and easier to generate an atmosphere. I imagine there'll be a lot of boring waiting around.
It's been held at Hammersmith Apollo in recent years which of course is a better, more intimate venue. And of course in the 90s when Pulp won it was held in posh hotel function rooms.
The problem is getting a commercial sponsor. They couldn't find one last year so there was no public event. Newcastle City Council offered to sponsor this year's, hence its move north.
Hammersmith Apollo is about half the size of the Arena. Newcastle is blessed with lots of excellent music venues, but maybe none quite fit. NX (formerly Academy, ex-cinema) would be the nearest in atmosphere; saw Cat Power at Hammersmith years ago, and I reckoned them about the same size, but looked it up and H.A. is more than twice the size of NX, which is about 2000 capacity. City Hall (where Pulp last played Newcastle, WLL) is slightly larger, 2200 capacity, but it's all seated.
The MOBO awards were held at the Arena last year, and it got some positive promotion in advance, but I didn't see any reviews afterwards, so don't know how well it went down.
I see Sam Fender is playing - given his colossal following in Newcastle, I guess he'll get the biggest response on the night, and his music works in arenas. Jacob Alon's music is intimate, and I enjoy it (haven't seen him live), but an arena seems unsuitable for intricate acoustic music.
There's a cool little reel on Mercury Prize's Insta of the full band talking about the record and being nominated filmed in a cave ahead of their Red Rocks gig. Equal parts awks and adorable!
Weed, if you're reading, you're in Newcastle right? Tickets are available and not too expensive.
-- Edited by Eamonn on Wednesday 10th of September 2025 11:27:58 AM
Yes. I keep looking at tickets & end up concluding with "nah!"... as mentioned above, Newcastle Arena is awful & desperately needs to be replaced (It's replacement should have been open by now but delays mean there hasn't even been a spade put in the ground yet)
Only seems to be **** seats available & I can't justify the £40 for just 1 song surrounded by an evening that I will no doubt find irritating.
The first concert I ever went to was in that arena when it was all shiney & new. Guess who it was?!
It's not a wasted trip to come to Newcastle though as it's a great place with lots to do & you might bump into members of Pulp :)
P.S. after all that... I may well end up going haha!
Yeah, I've always wanted to go there so I'm gonna stay on another night. If you're free on the Friday and fancy a drink, send me a message on here, would be great to meet another Bar Italian.
Don't know if this means anything much, I don't really know how betting prices work. Is this someone's idea of the likely outcome or just a reflection of how many people have bet on each artist?
It's mostly what's in vogue/getting airplay/flavour of the month and then will change depending on where the big money is put.
I think they probably have it right, one of the two Irish acts will likely win but neither Fontaines or CMAT potentially not being able to perform (unless her wisdom teeth are better) maybe lessens their chances slightly. I'm surprised Pulp are up so high in the odds to be honest. If Sam Fender wins, there will be a great atmosphere around Newcastle, he being a local lad.
If anyone is going, shoot me a PM, might be able to ditch work colleagues and get a drink.
I think they probably have it right, one of the two Irish acts will likely win...
Wonder why Irish acts are included. I remember (cos I am so old) The Boomtown Rats winning best British single in 1979 at British Rock and Pop Awards (precursor to Brits) all of them born in Ireland and then U2 winning best international act year after year despite half the band being born in England.
I hope pulp win, even if I think suede should have been shortlisted and won it
In response to the bet, interesting people bet on music prizes, the BBC article predicted CMAT and Pulp. But content is very little info about them tho. www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0e4d8d4z2o
I think Suedes album was released after this years due date. So probably next year. And, we dont have to struggle who wins the prize, Suede or Pulp. Hehe.
I think Suedes album was released after this years due date. So probably next year. And, we don't have to struggle who wins the prize, Suede or Pulp. Hehe.
Yes, just saw Antidepressants was released a week after deadline. Rainy Sunday Afternoon by Divine Comedy a couple of weeks later. Romance has been out for over a year, so maybe both will be under consideration next year. Interesting that CMAT album was released on deadline day.
Would be nice if pulp won, but they probably wont.
-- Edited by ArrGee on Thursday 16th of October 2025 01:04:08 PM
Among the shortlist, Sam Fender is not what I expected at all. I saw someone in social media said that he is a safe choice. Anyway, I didnt surprise Pulp didnt win, but kind of disappointed about the result. Sorry if anyone here is Sams fan
Haha, that's so funny re the subtitles! I kinda thought Pulp might win it. I was tempted to put a few euro on them to win. That's a competition that can really go any way really. Of the songs I saw the only ones I enjoyed was the lady from Leeds (I think, her name slips my mind) and Fontaines DC. Didn't enjoy anything else. Missed Pulp unfortunately.
Went up to Newcastle for this with work. Didn't realise it was an 8 on the dot start, as it wasn't televised live, was it? Anyway, just made our seats for Lauren to welcome Pulp on-stage.
Was great to see Hawley on-board. He walked just past us on his way to the backstage area at one stage, having to tell the security who he was!
I enjoyed all the acts tbh, some real variety. A pity neither of the Irish acts performed or won. Seemed like a hometown decision for Fender.
For Pulp, I don't think they were ever going to win. The nomination nod was enough. The prize has to appeal to under 40s in the main and no matter how good their comeback has been, I couldn't see it as being perceived as zeitgeisty or enough of an artistic "statement" to merit a win. I think PJ Harvey is the only person over 40 to have won it (second time).
But the level of cheering in the audience was reassuringly good for Pulp when they played and during the recaps. I think Spike Island was probably the right choice as a performance. Was worried they were going to play Farmers Market and it being a bit of a damp squib.
My colleague mentioned that James Ford was sitting at Fontaines' table. Good to hear that his cancer recovery seems to be going well. More is the last thing he worked on and he's been the most in-demand producer over the last few years (two of his records nom'd for the Mercury this year and last year - Pulp, Fontaines, Beth Gibbon and The Last Dinner Party).
Nick and Candida not overly keen on thinking about new material according to the below although C saying she wouldn't be averse to a single or an EP is hopefully quite telling in itself as the idea of recording is something she's generally been against since the first reunion til Jarvis started it by stealth for More. Maybe that's how he'll have to do it again but with a little less coaxing...
Don't think Candida has ever been overly enraptured by recording or touring when it's in long bouts.
They're in a position now to pick and choose their gigs and not locked into a multi-album deal so they've a lot of freedom to follow their feelings for future Pulp.
Gosh this makes me laugh, the daft things Pulp are asked to do. They're so nice to go along with this, in their sixties, knowing how silly the idea is. It's deliciously awkward. I think Candida is cradling a bottle of Broon.