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So what do you all think? For me, it sounds like a natural (albeit slight) progression from "Autofiction", there is also a decent mix of fast and slow songs. I am not sure at this stage which is my favourite song but "The Sound and The Summer" seems to be edging it for me.

I think that some parts of the album would appeal to Pulp fans as there are several spoken parts. Jarvis also hinted that the next album may be "abrasive" and as a package, I'd say that the Suede album is definitely abrasive. 

It's certainly a good entry into their (already strong) discography. 



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Love it but I love Suede. Pulp and Suede are my two abiding musical love affairs. Even though they sound nothing like each other there's an intangible harmony to the two bands in my head. They both have a way of creating music that touches me.anyway, the new album is ace in the Siouxsie/Cure/Joy Division mould. I don't think it's as immediate as Autofiction but it's very good. Aren't we lucky that these formative bands are still able to produce vital art that touches our souls.

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I think that there is a little crossover between the two bands but certainly not as much as some critics make out. For example, both have released several Walker inspired ballads but their big hits/anthems are quite different.

I would say that there is also a bit of lyrical crossover. For example, "Trash" and "Mis-Shapes" seem to explore similar themes and the people from "Seconds" could have easily found their way into several Suede songs. That said, Suede's lyrics have always been darker than Pulp's.

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Completely agree with what you say above. It's often similar subject matter but approached from different perspectives. Anyway, I've bought my tickets to see Suede next February so I'm happy.

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So have I. Which show are you going to?

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Brett makes me wince a bit with the spokenword at times and the wailing histrionics don't do it for me like in the days of yore. They're still capable of the odd banger and of the new stuff I've heard, Disintegrate has a bostin' chorus. Live, they leave nothing out there and are always good value. Anderson, in particular, has looked after himself well.

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So have I. Which show are you going to?


 Sheffield, bien sūr. And you?



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So have I. Which show are you going to?


 Sheffield, bien sūr. And you?


Sheffield too. I am not sure exactly what time I will be there at the moment but hopefully we can arrange some sort of meet-up nearer the time 



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 Sheffield, bien sūr. And you?


Sheffield too. I am not sure exactly what time I will be there at the moment but hopefully we can arrange some sort of meet-up nearer the time 


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I've really enjoyed their music since Bloodsports, but Autofiction didn't do much for me and I wasn't too keen on Antidepressants on the first listen; it all seemed a blob, but I was tired! This morning Somewhere Between An Atom And A Star, June Rain, and The Sound And The Summer have caught my attention more, enough to give it a proper listen without being cranky! Still prefer their more atmospheric tracks - Night Thoughts and The Blue Hour are probably my favourites since their comeback.

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Imagine if Pulp had their work ethic! We'd have 4 more albums since 2011...

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I've really enjoyed their music since Bloodsports, but Autofiction didn't do much for me and I wasn't too keen on Antidepressants on the first listen; it all seemed a blob, but I was tired! This morning Somewhere Between An Atom And A Star, June Rain, and The Sound And The Summer have caught my attention more, enough to give it a proper listen without being cranky! Still prefer their more atmospheric tracks - Night Thoughts and The Blue Hour are probably my favourites since their comeback.


They have now released the same number of albums in both periods of their existence. I don't think any of the last 5 albums reach quite the same heights as "Dog Man Star" but let's face it, very few things do.

For saying that their future looked uncertain from around 2003-2010, they have certainly nailed it since and Brett has described "Antidepressants" as the second album in a trilogy so hopefully there will be another one in a couple of years. 

It would be impossible for me to pick a favourite post-comeback album but I can say one thing for certain: if they took the best 2 or 3 tracks from each and combined them into one album, then that would rival "Dog Man Star". 



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My vote would go to Night Thoughts as their reformed masterpiece. A truly remarkable piece of musical art. I could happily go to a Suede show where they only played post Reform songs. I wouldn't miss hearing The Drowners or Trash again. The same goes for Pulp tbh. I could live without Mis-shapes and Disco 2000 in the setlist.

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Like this one? Even before now, Suede have always had a habit of playing album tracks, B-sides and lesser known singles; "Can't Get Enough" absolutely rocked the last time I saw them. Unfortunately, I have never been fortunate enough to see them play "The Asphalt World". 

I'm the same with Pulp. I find myself getting a lot less excited about "Sorted For E's and Wizz", "Babies" and "Do You Remember the First Time?" than I used to. They don't have enough recent material for a full show (even the whole "More" album plus "After You" would be less than an hour) but there are certainly some great tracks that barely get a look-in. For example, "Party Hard" always goes down well, "Have You Seen Her Lately?" and "Live Bed Show" would be a nice change, "The Professional" would work alongside "My Sex" and the jewel in the crown for me would be "Deep Fried In Kelvin". 



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I saw that setlist and I'd be very happy to have been there for that. I was at the B sides fan club gig in '97 and that was amazing. It feels a bit churlish saying you can do without a certain song as I suppose it's always one fans first time. I could have lived without Sheffield: Sex City at Tramlines because we could have had at least two other songs given how long it lasts. I was so happy when Pulp played Countdown in 2012 and hearing My Legendary Girlfriend on the last Jarv Is tour. Such is the life of the committed fan.

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Unfortunately, I have never been fortunate enough to see them play "The Asphalt World"

I've only seen them play once, and felt really lucky - the setlist was incredible. I had an idea of the songs they were rotating on that tour, and went hoping to hear one of The Asphalt World/Still Life/The 2 Of Us

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Those album shows at Brixton in 2011 with the associated b-sides were amazing. And at the end of that summer Pulp played two blinding shows there aswell.

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Unfortunately, I have never been fortunate enough to see them play "The Asphalt World"


I've only seen them play once, and felt really lucky - the setlist was incredible. I had an idea of the songs they were rotating on that tour, and went hoping to hear one of The Asphalt World/Still Life/The 2 Of Us

-- Edited by Ste on Tuesday 9th of September 2025 06:49:50 PM


That really is a great setlist. The B-side "He's Dead" as well which I have seen them play before and it's brilliant. 



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Off topic in an off topic thread, but the B-side talk has me itching to ask: what are your favourite Suede B sides? And it's hardly that the board is being flooded... Has this been discussed before? The ones that spring to mind are Europe Is Our Playground/Simon/The Big Time, and This Time - the latter having what I regard as a really nice Pulpy sounding guitar outro. Are there any "modern era" ones I should check out?

I did try to think if I could add any more about Antidepressants, but all I could muster was Dancing With The Europeans has grown on me, but that'd be a tissue-thin excuse to ask, so bugger it!

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The quality control of everything they released with Bernard Butler was incredibly high. I find the first two records and the bsides stronger and more varied than Oasis' first two albums and bsides. Both bands also had an interim single (Whatever/Stay Together) with fantastic flip-sides too.

Blur and Pulp's superiority (imo) to both above acts is spread across more eras. I don't think they ever peaked and plateau'd the way Oasis and Suede did. There was more creativity in Pulp and Blur's writing for all of the 90s and early 00s.

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Off topic in an off topic thread, but the B-side talk has me itching to ask: what are your favourite Suede B sides? And it's hardly that the board is being flooded... Has this been discussed before? The ones that spring to mind are Europe Is Our Playground/Simon/The Big Time, and This Time - the latter having what I regard as a really nice Pulpy sounding guitar outro. Are there any "modern era" ones I should check out?

I did try to think if I could add any more about Antidepressants, but all I could muster was Dancing With The Europeans has grown on me, but that'd be a tissue-thin excuse to ask, so bugger it!


 High Rising

The Big Time

My Dark Star 

The Living Dead

WSD

Another No One

They spring to mind immediately.

 

 



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Off topic in an off topic thread, but the B-side talk has me itching to ask: what are your favourite Suede B sides? And it's hardly that the board is being flooded... Has this been discussed before? The ones that spring to mind are Europe Is Our Playground/Simon/The Big Time, and This Time - the latter having what I regard as a really nice Pulpy sounding guitar outro. Are there any "modern era" ones I should check out?

I did try to think if I could add any more about Antidepressants, but all I could muster was Dancing With The Europeans has grown on me, but that'd be a tissue-thin excuse to ask, so bugger it!


When I'd heard 'To the Birds' and 'My Insatiable One' at Camden, it was really impressive.  From memory Brett said something along the lines of 'You didn't expect that did you'.  No, I didn't!

 

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/suede/2015/roundhouse-london-england-4bf50fae.html

 

It was also great to hear 'Together' at Brixton.

 

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/suede/2011/o2-academy-brixton-london-england-73d3d6bd.html

 

^ this Brixton gig and their come back at the Albert Hall are certainly up there with some of my favourite gigs of all time.  The energy and positivity of the Albert Hall gig can't be beaten.  I was at the front for Brixton and Albert Hall (and in the footage of that gig too) so I'll always remember them for that too.

 

I'm seeing them in Portsmouth in January, so hoping for a great gig and the new album is waiting for me to give it a listen.

 

Second to Pulp, Suede have always been one of my favourites.



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My first Suede is "Coming Up," and I also bought "Head Music" and "A New Morning." After that, I just listened to their albums online. For me, the best is still Coming Up, and I like them better than Blur and Oasis. I have already streamed their new album a few times since it was released. The new album is predicted to be on the Album Chart No. 1, which will be great.


I saw their concert 14 years ago (Tina  ). Don't know if I have a chance to see them again?



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My favourite Suede B-sides? These immediately spring to mind:

  • To The Birds
  • Killing of a Flash Boy (could have been a huge hit)
  • Whipsnade
  • Europe is Our Playground (I prefer the "Sci-Fi Lullabies" version but both are great)
  • WSD
  • This Time
  • Let Go
  • Crackhead (would have worked well on the album)
  • Killer (see above)
  • Instant Sunshine

I haven't listened to the more recent ones enough to make a fair judgement. I think I have just set myself a to-do.

I'd say that Suede dipped slightly with "Coming Up", it sounds like they took the easy option of obvious hits over the quality that ran through their previous two albums. "Head Music" was something of a recovery but a couple of the songs could have been swapped out. Unfortunately, whilst I think that "A New Morning" has some very nice moments, it just doesn't succeed as an album. I'm sure we can forgive them as they have made up for that 5 times in the past 12 years or so. 

I agree with the comments about Blur, it's as if they knew when to take a break and come back stronger. But that said, I think that their first four albums are too long and their B-sides are a very mixed bag ranging from pointless 1 minute instrumentals to some of their greatest songs ever. They did seem to release a lot more B-sides than Pulp and possibly even Suede. 



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Ian wrote:

My favourite Suede B-sides? These immediately spring to mind:

  • To The Birds
  • Killing of a Flash Boy (could have been a huge hit)
  • Whipsnade
  • Europe is Our Playground (I prefer the "Sci-Fi Lullabies" version but both are great)
  • WSD
  • This Time
  • Let Go
  • Crackhead (would have worked well on the album)
  • Killer (see above)
  • Instant Sunshine

I haven't listened to the more recent ones enough to make a fair judgement. I think I have just set myself a to-do.

I'd say that Suede dipped slightly with "Coming Up", it sounds like they took the easy option of obvious hits over the quality that ran through their previous two albums. "Head Music" was something of a recovery but a couple of the songs could have been swapped out. Unfortunately, whilst I think that "A New Morning" has some very nice moments, it just doesn't succeed as an album. I'm sure we can forgive them as they have made up for that 5 times in the past 12 years or so. 

I agree with the comments about Blur, it's as if they knew when to take a break and come back stronger. But that said, I think that their first four albums are too long and their B-sides are a very mixed bag ranging from pointless 1 minute instrumentals to some of their greatest songs ever. They did seem to release a lot more B-sides than Pulp and possibly even Suede. 


 How did I ever forget Killing of a Flashboy?



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