I dont know to me it was mainly a lack of interest, or they would have kept the TIH sessions (Dirty World, Street operator, You are the one could be used today as album tracks) and a few DC one (Paula, We Can Dance Again).

In 2006, CD were still selling, and they focused on the ones that were to sell the most. the "big 3". WLL was still "recent" and i doubt it would have sold well back then.

I would not mind them doing a side record with all their unused demos.

After You
You are the One
Street Operator
Can I Have My Balls Back Please?
Paula
Quiet Revolution
Cuckoo
Love Is
St Just
We Can Dance Again
The Last Song In The World

That's a great record, although we dont know half the songs :D

Anything is possible now. And it's exciting.

Yeah, if I'm quite honest, some of the Pulp b-roll material is genuinely weaker than the stuff that made it to record. Not everything is a hidden gem.

In my opinion, 'Can I Have My Balls Back Please?' and 'Paula' are weak, jokey throwaways, and by no means do they stand up to the actual content of Hardcore or DC. And this will sound harsh, but I bloody hate 'The Quiet Revolution', can't stick those sodding panpipes. (Well, it's probably flute, but it sounds like panpipes.)

Also, those demos and unused tracks - well, they've been released, now! They're out there! You can buy them and stream them. They're not works-in-progress like the previously lyricless 'Got to Have Love' and 'Grown Ups'. Pulp might reasonably go back to some of the demos from the WLL sessions if they really want too, but all the fully-formed stuff from the Deluxe additions has been available to fans for nearly twenty years now - there's no way that they're going to retread stuff that's already out in the world in a complete state. Reissue, repackage, repackage...

And I'm sorry to bang on, but 'After You' has already been released too as a single. They aren't going to suddenly turn back around and say 'actually we should redo this one' and redo it. It's out. It's complete. It's done. If people don't like the released version, they can listen to the demo, but Pulp *have* released that 2013 version, and it's been out in the world for twelve years. It's even been remixed, and used in a massive video game. It is, to all intents and purposes, the definitive version, and what's more, it's also the last thing they ever recorded with Steve, so I really, really can't imagine them just retconning it and acting like they'd never released it before, then reproducing it and releasing it again. I'm sorry, but I just can't. I know not everyone likes the production on 'After You' (I personally really like it), but it wouldn't be the first Pulp song to have been released with opinion-splitting production - the band themselves have expressed misgivings about how 'Pink Glove' and 'I'm a Man' were recorded, and they're no more or less likely to return to those tracks than they are 'After You'

They have new songs. They have at least most of another album, if they want to do it. And there is the possibility that some of that enigmatic WLL-era material will see the light of day like GTHL and GU did, which I agree with Andy is very exciting! (I'm intrigued about 'Darren' and 'Emmanuel', personally.) But whether they use those ideas or not, they don't need to go back to existing, already released songs, and pull them together for a new album or compilation. They aren't Fire Records.

The theoretical limit, I think, for 'already released song that gets picked up again and retooled' is 'Grandfather's Nursery', because it isn't commercially available on streaming (it was only ever a free download, in the days when Amazon was still relatively obscure). But even then, seeing as it's also been released in some kind of form, I can't see that happening, either: there's a difference between that which Pulp have intentionally released (like 'Grandfather's Nursery') and that which fans have leaked (like 'Got to Have Love' when Trixie turned up on here).

The unreleased, hidden scraps that fans have clamoured for for so long might indeed turn up in the form of new songs, which is a tantalising possibility - but at the same time, the stuff without a previous origin, the legitimately brand new stuff, is just as exciting to me - maybe more so! 'Tina' is one of my favourites on the new album, while I'm also very keen on 'Partial Eclipse' - and both seem to have been conceived entirely during the More sessions. So it's not all just about digging up past fixer-uppers.

-- Edited by lipglossed on Monday 30th of June 2025 07:39:45 PM

I think that Pulp Summer has probably kinda of ended and that's fine - from exactly one month since the BBC Sessions; the positive reaction to the second single, Got To Have Love, after Spike Island's strong impact, the album listening parties, the release of More, the arena tour, the number one album trophy, the secret Glastonbury set - it's been an incredible triumph. Rave reviews for all the above across the board. And really well-timed as just like in '95, the first part of the summer of Pulp inevitably gives way to their more popular northern cousins hogging the headlines til August. I think Pulp would have struggled to get so much coverage if Oasis had started their tour a month earlier or Pulp a month later.

I'm not sure a deluxe petition for a WLL deluxe edition will make much difference. More's sales figures will though or certainly should. And the album should hopefully go back into the top twenty, maybe higher, this Friday after the positive reaction from Glastonbury. Universal may see 50k UK copies sold of a new album from a band with an average age of 59 but a fan demograph spanning the generations as the perfect time to go hard on dressing-up and dredging-up the past.

 

I'd expect a Different Class superdeluxe to come first with all the 12 interchangeable covers and a remastered Glastonbury '95. And eventually something that covers the We Love Life pre-era. Controversial call but thinking about it from the perspective of a major label who don't care much for anything beyond the bottom-line; if they got buy-in from Jarvis, and they weren't confident of sufficient sales from Pulp's seventh album getting a glow-up; they could even package and sell the unreleased songs from the turn of the century with a complete disassociation from the largely unloved WLL by releasing a stand-alone "lost" album, called "The Quiet Revolution" as originally envisioned by JC. With a bonus disc of demos that came later in 2000.

Hey, The Boss has just released seven "undiscovered" albums. If it's good enough for him - Wearing a shirt (lumberjack?) that was trying too hard...

Basically, I think we're gonna be alright 

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Controversial call but thinking about it from the perspective of a major label who don't care much for anything beyond the bottom-line; if they got buy-in from Jarvis, and they weren't confident of sufficient sales from Pulp's seventh album getting a glow-up; they could even package and sell the unreleased songs from the turn of the century with a complete disassociation from the largely unloved WLL by releasing a stand-alone "lost" album, called "The Quiet Revolution" as originally envisioned by JC. With a bonus disc of demos that came later in 2000.

 

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I think if there was any chance of that, some of them would have been used on the Mojo CD.  The distinction and integrity of the WLL demos seems to be being kept intact.  

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Given Pulp's current popularity, is it time for us to make a concentrated effort to persuade Island to release the "We Love Life" deluxe? There has been a petition on Pulp Wiki for years but that was started at a time when the band was dormant and (probably) before social media existed.

What are people's thoughts on this?

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 I suspect it is not viable as the audience would be pretty limited.  I believe More sold around 30,000-40,000 physical copies but there were the likes of me buying 3 different vinyl versions. So with a core of 15,000 sales and a number of those not too worried about obscure tracks, the numbers probably would not add up in commercial terms.  However, a RSD limited edition could be created as a new Pulp compilation album to cover off the 1999-2010 era.  That could then be available for streaming.  By way of comparison, the Bowie Width of A Circle, Divine Symmetry and Rock n Rock Star outtakes haven't exactly sold like hot cakes 

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Given Pulp's current popularity, is it time for us to make a concentrated effort to persuade Island to release the "We Love Life" deluxe? There has been a petition on Pulp Wiki for years but that was started at a time when the band was dormant and (probably) before social media existed.

What are people's thoughts on this?

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 I suspect it is not viable as the audience would be pretty limited.  I believe More sold around 30,000-40,000 physical copies but there were the likes of me buying 3 different vinyl versions. So with a core of 15,000 sales and a number of those not too worried about obscure tracks, the numbers probably would not add up in commercial terms.  However, a RSD limited edition could be created as a new Pulp compilation album to cover off the 1999-2010 era.  That could then be available for streaming.  By way of comparison, the Bowie Width of A Circle, Divine Symmetry and Rock n Rock Star outtakes haven't exactly sold like hot cakes 

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CDs cost pennies to manufacture, it'll be pure profit for them. It's vinyl you need to be confident of a decent take-up of.

Why is stuff like this being released all the time, if there's no market for it?:

 

https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/supergrass-life-on-other-planets-reissue/

https://www.demonmusicgroup.co.uk/catalogue/releases/brett-anderson-collected-solo-work-5cd-deluxe-packaging/

https://www.demonmusicgroup.co.uk/catalogue/releases/heaven-17-penthouse-and-pavement-2cd-deluxe-gatefold-packaging/

 

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HoltbyCity wrote:

CDs cost pennies to manufacture, it'll be pure profit for them. It's vinyl you need to be confident of a decent take-up of.

Why is stuff like this being released all the time, if there's no market for it?

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 No idea.  There maybe a market, but its not particularly large. Would be interested to know sales on these.

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It's free money, however many they sell.  The record companies already own the recordings and the rights.  There's no risk, like when they have to invest in paying a band for rights and for the recordings to take place.  

50p to manufacture. Sell for say £23.  £22.50 profit on every unit.  

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I doubt more than a couple of thousand people bought multiple copies of More. After Glastonbury, I reckon you'd be looking at close to 50,000 unique buyers of More by the time the album charts is updated on Friday (it's 22 in the midweeks). Quite a few new releases this week so it may land lower.

I think Supergrass and Suede had contracts where the publishing rights reverted to them hence their deals for deluxe editions with specialist labels. Demon's quality control is ropey as fcuk though. Pulp deserve the best so if Universal could just be arsed, there's easy money to be made, as you say.

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Sometimes the record labels outsource it themselves to those companies like Demon.

E.g. Cast's All Change got the same Universal reissue as the three Pulp albums: https://www.discogs.com/release/3180463-Cast-All-Change

But then 4 years later they licenced Demon (aka Edsel) to do it again, plus do the remaining three Cast albums: https://www.discogs.com/release/23865107-Cast-All-Change

Playing devil's advocate, what if the lack of re-issues etc. is more to do with the group not consenting to it? Agree with you Eamonn, maybe they're all just focused on the new and the next, and don't see the point of re-hashing the past for some pennies.

Holtby, where did you see news about Road To Rouen being reissued? I love that album but thought they might not bother as it was overlooked at the time.

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Holtby, where did you see news about Road To Rouen being reissued? I love that album but thought they might not bother as it was overlooked at the time.

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I think Micky mentioned it on his twitter a while ago (I've had a quick search but can't find it at the moment).  It will probably be relatively thin compared to earlier albums, as didn't seem to be producing much material around that time.  But I think his plan is to finish and do all six albums.

Then of course there is their WWL demos equivalent - Release The Drones!  Maybe some of that will make up the Diamond Ho Haa deluxe?

Yay!

Jarvis not being interested is apparently just as big a blocker.

Great news!! Looking forward to it. :D

I still think that this could happen if we make enough noise.

It allegedly took around 3000-4000 signatures (depending on the source) for Parlophone to release "Kleptomania" by Mansun which came with two extra CDs full of B-sides/demos/rarities/live songs. Sure, that was 20 years ago but it worked and Mansun never sold as many records as Pulp first time round.

A co-ordinated effort could get people's attention. There are around 1000 people registered for this forum though only around 100 have been active in the past year. There is a Facebook group with over 11000 members, various unofficial Pulp Instagram accounts and lots more. I honestly think that we could get a couple of thousand signatures.

Surely it's worth a go, right?

Maybe even approach Demon and see if they'll offer to do it outsourced for Universal?

HoltbyCity wrote:

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Maybe even approach Demon and see if they'll offer to do it outsourced for Universal?

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 Pulp deserve better. Demon's quality control is not great.

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HoltbyCity wrote:

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Maybe even approach Demon and see if they'll offer to do it outsourced for Universal?

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 Pulp deserve better. Demon's quality control is not great.

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Beggars can't be choosers.  They seem to be the main players in that game, so it might be the only shot we've got.  They've also got history of doing projects for Universal

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There must be literally no return on Pulp legacy product at all. Even Oasis are re flogging What's The Story this October. I know there's nowt much left in the vaults but a 45rpm vinyl reissue with the b sides, remixes, Glastonbury 95 on disc and blu ray (stick a Dolby Atmos mix on there as well) with the interchangeable covers should see like a no brainer. There isn't even much extra on the Oasis release but there it is! It's not even a new remaster.

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There is lots of unused material in the vaults from 1999-2002, the ones in bold have never seen the light of day in any form and could easily fill a CD. Even if a couple of them turn out to be working titles for songs that were later released, we know that the majority of them aren't. The ones in italics may have been abandoned during recording.

1. The Birds in Your Garden (Wessex Demo 1)
2. Darren (Wessex Demo 1)
3. Bob Lind (Wessex Demo 1)
4. Sunrise (Wessex Demo 1)
5. Yesterday (Wessex Demo 1)
6. The Quiet Revolution (Wessex Demo 1)
7. Wickerman (Wessex Demo 1)
8. Cuckoo Song (Wessex Demo 1)
9. Got To Have Love (Wessex Demo 1 / instrumental version)
10. Love Is (Wessex Demo 2)
11. Bad Cover Version (Wessex Demo 2)
12. My Mistake (Wessex Demo 2)
13. The Night That Minnie Timperley Died (Wessex Demo 2)
14. Forever In My Dreams (Wessex Demo 2)
15. The Last Song In The World (Wessex Demo 2)
16. After You (Wessex Demo 2)
17. M'Lady (Wessex Demo 2)
18. Grandfather's Nursery (Wessex Demo 2)
19. The Performance of a Lifetime (Wessex Demo 2)
20. St Just (Wessex Demo 2)
21. Got to Have Love (Wessex Demo 2 / vocal version)
22. The Trees (Live Depot Demo)
23. Born to Cry (Live Depot Demo)
24. Under the Covers (Live Depot Demo)
25. Emmanuel (Live Depot Demo)
26. Love Is (Live Depot Demo)
27. Have Your Own (Live Depot Demo)
28. To Love Someone (Live Depot Demo)
29. Roadkill (Live Depot Demo)
30. Yesterday (Live Depot Demo)
31. Cuckoo Song (Live Depot Demo)
32. My Mistake (Live Depot Demo)
33. Love You Baby (Depot Demo / instrumental)
34. Six String (Depot Demo / instrumental)
35. Chordy / My Mistake (Depot Demo / instrumental)
36. Playground (Depot Demo / instrumental)
37. Last Song In The World (Depot Demo / instrumental)
38. Medieval Owl (Depot Demo / instrumental)
39. Candy's Spectre (became Bad Cover Version) (Depot Demo / instrumental)
40. Disco too Disco (probably an instrumental version of After You) (Depot Demo / instrumental)
41. Jungle Rumble (became The Night that Minnie Timperley Died) (Depot Demo / instrumental)
42. Dream Galaxy (Depot Demo / instrumental)
43. Weeds (Chris Thomas)
44. Sunrise (Chris Thomas)
45. Bad Cover Version (Chris Thomas)
46. The Birds in Your Garden (Chris Thomas)
47. Yesterday (Chris Thomas)
48. Forever in my Dreams (Chris Thomas)
49. Bad Cover Version (Howie B)
50. Weeds (Howie B)
51. Weeds (Ben Hillier)
52. Weeds (Pete Lewis)
53. Sunrise (Pete Lewis)
54. Bad Cover Version (Pete Lewis)
55. Emmanuel (Hits session version)

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I'm not fussed about demo versions that got finished, it's all about the completely new tracks for me.  I think the three other deluxe albums did that pretty well.  Personally I'd just love a CD2, with the best/most finished version of something like:

 

1. Darren

2. The Quiet Revolution

3. Cuckoo Song

4. Love Is

5. My Mistake/Chordy

6. The Last Song In The World

7. Medieval Owl/M'Lady

8. The Performance Of A Lifetime

9. St Just

10. Under the Covers

11. Emmanuel

12. Have Your Own

13. To Love Someone

14. Love You Baby

15. Six String

16. Last Song In The World

17. Dream Galaxy

-- Edited by HoltbyCity on Tuesday 5th of August 2025 09:45:29 PM

A remastering of the main album I reckon would be worthwhile too - it's the only truly brickwalled album from the Island years in its original form.

I really don't see what the issue is. Get the cds from the photos in Mark's book. Get the best version of each song. Do a bit of digital cleaning (we've all got software that can do that). Master the volume levels. Press some cds for about 7p a pop. Edit the old artwork to add in cd2 details. I could do it all in about 2 days if i had those original cds

-- Edited by HoltbyCity on Tuesday 5th of August 2025 11:42:54 PM

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How about we set up a record label ourselves? Any music licensing experts in the room?

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I thought that you would know all about it having set up the Venini label all those years ago .

 

So would I be right in thinking that it would be similar to the compilations of Fire material that appeared in the 1990s? Set up a small label, pay Universal to licence the tracks then get it released and hopefully make our money back.

 

The main album is presumably of higher value to Universal than unreleased material so just getting the "lost" album released may be more financially viable.

I was wondering about the above too or is that pie in the sky. I was sure I'd read about crowd funded/fan funded things like this before.

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Universal are hardly likely to let go of their Pulp-owned stuff though are they? They'd be happier to let it sit in the vaults.

I'm optimistic that it will happen through them anyway due to all the renewed interest in the band. Would be happy for it to emerge during a quiet period, personally, if Pulp truly are active from now on and coming up with futher new material

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WLL Deluxe in 2026 (while band go to ground to recuperate and write)

'Even More' + tour in 2027

 

Eamonn wrote:

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 I promise never to ask for any more Pulp ever again.

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I have just noticed that one of the songs Jarvis wrote for Charlotte Gainsbourg (Jamais) includes the lyrics "The Performance of a Lifetime". I wonder if he recycled that song or some of the lyrics. Or maybe it's just pure coincidence.

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Interesting.  It's hard to tell.  Grown-Ups reuses the line 'The Night They Let Me Out Of The Home', but bares no relation to the solo track of that name.  

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And it's not like there's been nowt since. Universal presumably paid for the Abbey Road studio time when Steve and Jarv remastered the back-cat in 2019. So far the fruits of that have been new vinyl editions of HnH later that year and - encouragingly, Intro just last year.

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 (sorry for off topic, but...) I didn't realise that Intro was remastered. For anyone who has it, do you think it sounds good / better than original?

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 Missed this - I have a copy but I bought it just after I'd moved house and terribly, I still haven't set-up my record player. Problems with the roof, delaying the redecorating leading to boxes not being unpacked etc.... But I think the reviews on Discogs were pretty good.

Interesting point about Universal doing it themselves, particularly as they will now be well aware of the band's recent success.

Just looking at the recording sessions on the Wiki. I vaguely remember an Island promo appearing on the (then) official website that featured the October 1999 Wessex demos so that's likely to be in their vaults. The only song we haven't heard from this in any form is "Darren". It would be likely that they hold copies of the abortive LP sessions from 2000 as they had producers on board for these. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear as if they recorded anything for these that wasn't eventually released.

Maybe a concentrated effort to get a petition signed would be the best option to start with. We could send that to Universal then if they either decline or don't take any notice, it could be a good indication that doing it ourselves would be more appropriate. We could also send a copy to Rough Trade who may wish to take it on and probably have more chance of convincing the band to get involved than Universal... "Look here Jarvis, we've got a petition with a couple of thousand signatures asking for you to release some demos from 25 years ago". Even just Mark getting involved would ensure that a decent job is done.

If we went straight ahead with the record label idea, we don't know exactly how much it would cost to licence the tracks and risk making losses / having to refund people if Universal decide to do it themselves.

An online petition would cost nothing and neither would sharing it on social media. I will look into it...

you have mine

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Signed and email confirmed. But the number remains the same. System said my email has already signed. Maybe need time to add up to the list?!

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Yes, it's a bit strange; signatures are definitely being recorded but the counter takes a while to update. There may be a setting I can change.

I have made an image here and shared it on Instagram. Feel free to share far and wide or make your own images if you can improve on that. 

I'm not quite sure. Perhaps Will knows but if the petition was being run through a plugin then these have to be kept up to date or they may stop working.

My Instagram post has reached over 200 accounts so I think that more sharing will result in plenty of signatures. Maybe 2500 is a bit of an optimistic target but I can decrease it if necessary.

If anyone has any links to ex-members that would be willing to sign and help spread the word then I think that would work really well. I vaguely remember Steven Havenhand and Peter Mansell posting here and although they don't feature on the recordings, it would be good to have them on side.

I think that Rough Trade may be our best option but I will send it to both. I bet they made quite a bit out of "More" and if the cost of licensing tracks from Universal is less than recording another album, they would be onto another winner.

You are absolutely right. There is a Pulp Facebook group with over 11000 members. If a quarter of them signed the petition, then the target would be reached.

I noticed that Pulp's official X account follows me so I have shared on there and tagged them along with Universal and Rough Trade.

I have a few things planned such as attempting to reach out to Steven Havenhand (his current band are on Facebook) to see if we can get his support. I think we may be able to get Nick's attention too as he seems to be active on social media. A few months ago, I would have printed a couple of thousand flyers with QR codes on to distribute at gigs but there is nothing planned for the UK just yet.

Excuse me?!

Ah, just seen the other thread. Poor Ian, you must have got a shock! Great work with this, hopefully we can manage the target by... the end of the year? Or at least while Pulp are still active (more shows for 2026 according to Mark), it might help its chances more.

Thanks for the update on the original petition, Will.

Yep absolutely, especially if it includes Nick and Mark!

If it's down to Jarvis as much as Universal though, and the latter's motivation is £; I wonder would a couple of thousand sigs really change Jarvis' mind if he's become protective of the songs and doesn't want them out there...

Had the same invalid error pop up as Pye did.

I never got the message using a desktop browser, but i did when using a mobile one

Good man, Banksy! Watching Nicky turn from a man into a fan...

The process is still in place. I have just tested it and received the email straight away. Which email provider is she using?

If the problem remains, she can email me at wll@feelingcalledlive.co.uk and I will manually update the confirmation for her.

Yes, only I can log in and see the email addresses of those who have signed. I will add a note to that effect.

Perfect, thanks, Ian, signed! Nice artwork.