Anyone think that there might be a set shake-up across both nights so they have more content, as it's being properly filmed?
More likely the opposite I would think - the director will probably want to have two shots at everything / gather plenty of B-roll footage in case of bum notes, technical issues, wobbly camera angles, missed moments etc.
Bah, don't give me your reasoned, film-knowledge opinions Pip!
The Dublin set was probably the best I've seen (Sheff '12 or Brixton '11 might pip it but this tour has the best visuals and "moments") so I won't mind in the slightest if More Live is now locked-in. Plus there's still one choice we can decide upon as a collective.
Have a great time tonight everyone. Looking forward to seeing the setlist and what choice of song you get. Wish I was going again. Have a fantastic time :)
After ages of saying no and I hate big arenas and never again after, was it Wembly during different class? and not to see the same set again that I've seen 3 times. I caved, fomo got the better of me.... that and the updates about special extended set tipped me over the edge. Anyway, bought myself a seat last week paid the 90 squids and have been getting. more and more excited about going, of course...... very much looking fwd to a few drinks and a chair bop evening! And while I would love standing I think actually standing for that long would kill me right now, so still very pleased with me seat and little plan for the evening. Bet it'll be amazing and hope everyone has a brilliant time!
Was hoping for countdown but no regrets and stood the entire time bopping away and throwing me own shapes so deep heat time for me when I gwt home! Wouldn't change a thing. Awesome as always.
So Party Hard beats Seconds beats Dishes beats 59 Lyndhurst Grove? Makes me wonder what the other options are - We Are the Boyz might be one but does it beat any of the above?
Still no Separations, so could we be seeing Countdown or (be still my beating heart) Legendary Girlfriend tomorrow?
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I've been saying it re OU for a while - it's the most effective song in the canon at getting an immediate reaction from people who don't know it. Helped by Jarvis' trick of audience participation into separating us by O's and U's. It's got great energy, arguably the riff of Russell's life (maybe violin or guitar) and a jubilant "Yeah yeah yeah" outro to rival Babies. Absolute travesty it's been overlooked all these years. Mark working the stylophone next to Candida on the keyboard was such a look too.
As for Party Hard, it was so great to hear it (think the last time I did, it broke-down at Sheffield 2012 or was that Help The Aged?). The only disappointment was that it was under-powered. Emma didn't join-in until the choruses so Mark was carrying the intro and verses. And there was none of the synth-stabs on the second chorus which is probably the poppiest moment on TIH. Just needed to sound bigger and louder especially in an arena so I was a bit surprised.
I'll never tire of seeing the core four out front. Something Changed was probably the song that sealed my love for Pulp years ago, it was my favourite song for years, sometimes it still is. But it's one of the few, that I've felt never really sounds better live than on the album and I've heard them do it live so often that I wouldn't mind it being dropped. But this new version, semi-acoustic, with Jarvis setting the scene for how Pulp got back together, in a living room, just him, Nick, Candida and Mark having a slow jam...it's just perfect! Hope they play it this way for the rest of their natural lives.
I love Mark's involvement in Babies. He des the extra keyboard riffs in Babies when the song heightens, then steps away with a flourish, and waits, looking like a boss before returning to his station for a few more seconds.
It was quite sweet that it was Jarvis' wedding anniversary and dedicated Farmers Market to his missus.
There are probably more observations but they're what come to mind this morning. Great to watch it all with Violin Thing. We have only met at Pulp gigs but used to be colleagues for quite a few years!
It absolutely was. I think that this was the first time I have seen them perform "OU", it needs to be a mainstay, it really does.
Im so glad to see this on setlists so far. Its my favorite pulp song by a mile and Ive never got to see them play it live. Hoping they keep playing it going forward
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Indeed it was Party Hard that broke down. Jarvis with his repetitive "haaaaaaard.......haaaaaaard"s during the intro.
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I've been saying it re OU for a while - it's the most effective song in the canon at getting an immediate reaction from people who don't know it. Helped by Jarvis' trick of audience participation into separating us by O's and U's. It's got great energy, arguably the riff of Russell's life (maybe violin or guitar) and a jubilant "Yeah yeah yeah" outro to rival Babies. Absolute travesty it's been overlooked all these years. Mark working the stylophone next to Candida on the keyboard was such a look too.
As for Party Hard, it was so great to hear it (think the last time I did, it broke-down at Sheffield 2012 or was that Help The Aged?). The only disappointment was that it was under-powered. Emma didn't join-in until the choruses so Mark was carrying the intro and verses. And there was none of the synth-stabs on the second chorus which is probably the poppiest moment on TIH. Just needed to sound bigger and louder especially in an arena so I was a bit surprised.
I'll never tire of seeing the core four out front. Something Changed was probably the song that sealed my love for Pulp years ago, it was my favourite song for years, sometimes it still is. But it's one of the few, that I've felt never really sounds better live than on the album and I've heard them do it live so often that I wouldn't mind it being dropped. But this new version, semi-acoustic, with Jarvis setting the scene for how Pulp got back together, in a living room, just him, Nick, Candida and Mark having a slow jam...it's just perfect! Hope they play it this way for the rest of their natural lives.
I love Mark's involvement in Babies. He des the extra keyboard riffs in Babies when the song heightens, then steps away with a flourish, and waits, looking like a boss before returning to his station for a few more seconds.
It was quite sweet that it was Jarvis' wedding anniversary and dedicated Farmers Market to his missus.
There are probably more observations but they're what come to mind this morning. Great to watch it all with Violin Thing. We have only met at Pulp gigs but used to be colleagues for quite a few years!
I'd have gone for Seconds but it's nice to hear Party Hard get a rev. Wonder what it'll be tonight then and what makes tye final cut for the filming. Suppose if it was a DVD you could have different options to look at.
Agree about OU. Sounded so great live. That's a keeper.
God, can you imagine My Legendary Girlfriend and with all the extra musicians.
Someone left a comment there on Instagram about the thought, time and effort that's evidently gone into this. So true. It's such a great show. Top class. Hats off to them.
Agree about Party Hard lacking the punch of the album recording (and what I recall from previous times it was played too long ago). Thought the new songs worked well except for Tina which I would have switched for Background Noise or My Sex. Had a good view and the sound was great. I did notice, perhaps obviously, that all the Different Class tracks plus Babies and DYRTFT got a different level of recognition from the majority of the crowd and unsure how many people around me knew the other tracks; although Spike Island seems to have entered the popular consciousness and is now one of the big hits. Hopefully they may end the year with some smaller UK shows (in a dream world I would love a This is Hardcore heavy set).
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I was pleasantly surpirsed at people around me singing along to the chorus of Grown Ups and I loved the involvement of the crowd in the "We should be having us a slow jam" repeated lines at the end.
Three of my faves on the record haven't got a look-in live yet - Hymn, My Sex and Background Noise. Tonight would be the night to play them if they want to showcase the new album as they could slot them into the film.
Enjoyed Jarvis sharing that he had trained his voice to reach the pitch of the original songs. Commitment there to the (dignity of the?) material and the craft, and I suppose a (the?) difference between Pulp as a going concern and other bands trying to fill the pension pot. It suggests too that - since the new songs are written to suit his present range - if Pulp keep writing so well and touring, some songs could be abandoned rather than compromised. Not all I wouldnt think - theyd surely never drop CP, D2000, DYRTFT or Babies for instance - but perhaps some.
Dont wish to be mean to any other bands saying that of course. Pulp do things differently, which is why we love them so much
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Enjoyed Jarvis sharing that he had trained his voice to reach the pitch of the original songs. Commitment there to the (dignity of?) the material and the craft, and I suppose a (the?) difference between Pulp as a going concern and other bands trying to fill the pension pot. It suggests too that - since the new songs are written to suit his present range - if Pulp keep writing so well and touring, some songs could be abandoned rather than compromised. Not all I wouldnt think - theyd surely never drop CP, D2000, DYRTFT or Babies for instance - but perhaps some.
Dont wish to be mean to any other bands saying that of course. Pulp do things differently, which is why we love them so much
I know they popped up at the start of the song, and are (I guess) supposed to be personal demons, but I did laugh when the ghosties popped up at the end of The Fear when C*#ker was doing his ooooooh-oooooooh-ooooooh part, like proper ghosts doing their sound. Coming on 30 years, still my favourite song!
I was closer to the front than I usually am at Pulp gigs for this one, I watched Candida a lot and her singing along to the ooh ooh ooh oohs in Disco 2000 was just lovely.
Please, her name is Emma and she's part of the Pulp family now.
But please expand on your theory. You mean Russell was technically dodgy so he had to find different ways of being effective?
That doesn't have to be casting aspersions on Russell's violin playing. I am not musically literate, so this will be a bit garbled, but my husband, who is extremely musically literate, has said that a person's main instrument affects the way they approach other instruments, so a drummer picking up a guitar will approach it differently from someone who learns it from scratch, or a keyboard player. Maybe like with spoken languages, even fluent people with different first languages speak English a bit differently from each other. Although, I have no idea what Russell learned first.
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Please, her name is Emma and she's part of the Pulp family now.
But please expand on your theory. You mean Russell was technically dodgy so he had to find different ways of being effective?
That doesn't have to be casting aspersions on Russell's violin playing. I am not musically literate, so this will be a bit garbled, but my husband, who is extremely musically literate, has said that a person's main instrument affects the way they approach other instruments, so a drummer picking up a guitar will approach it differently from someone who learns it from scratch, or a keyboard player. Maybe like with spoken languages, even fluent people with different first languages speak English a bit differently from each other. Although, I have no idea what Russell learned first.
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(Well first i dont know the names of the "new" members, so sorry about that ! )
It's more or less that yes. And also because she is not an "official" member so those musicians (touring musicians or whatever you wanna call them) as a whole (not just her) tend to play the safest way, and i feel it's transposed in the overall sound of the band. But that's the way it is, they can't go crazy like Russell did. On the other tours, there was no violin anymore, so there was no comparison to be made.
Russell had a very unique violin style, I remember being stuck by the sound on the brixton video that i bought in 96. I don't know how he learnt it, but to me it was not very academic. And it produced that very peculiar sometimes agressive sound but not in a classical way, that made you think immediately "that's Russell".
Don't know if that make sense, but Pulp sound more "professional" as a whole. They sound tight and very good, but less "crazy" without Steve and Russell.
Thanks for that explanation, Andy, and, Fran, your post is really interesting too. I have to say I do love when people who aren't musically trained put together chords and notes that maybe shouldn't go together. If you don't know the rules you don't know what should go with what and I remember Jarvis saying it was pot luck regards what the next chord would be when writing something. You have to go by what you think sounds good.
I play drums but wrote a few songs so had to try teach myself a bit on piano and the others in the band were laughing at the chords I put together because they shouldn't go together but yet did sound nice. They're not trained either but there is some sort of method you can use. I did read a lot about how if you've used such and such in a verse then there's particular chords that might work in a chorus. Didn't Nick play some chord for Babies that Jarvis was saying he wouldn't have thought to put there. Interesting. I always think John Deacon from Queen sounds like he's playing the bass as a more melodious instrument but he probably did learn guitar first. Makes sense.
Yeah Jean there are two types of musicians, and i'm always amazed how "trained" musicians can't play anything without a sheet in front of them. It's like a different kind of way of playing music. I usually look at chords vaguely and then go for it. I just can't follow a sheet, it's very limitating for me. And i cant read music either
I suppose Russell, Jarvis and Steve and the other Pulp members are kinda like that. But the other can't be. They have a "job" when the other 4 play as a band. It's more liberating, so it's not being harsh on the other. It's just the way it is.
PS: Jean, so tell them you're playing piano the Jazz way
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A very free form jazz style from anecdotal evidence, Andy, I think you're right that it's more liberating. I know others who have played in bands with trained musicians and it does sound like it can be a bit restricting. I suppose when you know the rules you have to think more deliberately how to break them. If you don't even know them in the first place it's easier in one way but harder to get started with a song sometimes and then, yeah, if you're not hired as a session musician you can be more free I guess.
The nearest thing I've had experience with is playing in a covers band. I literally only sub in for people if they're desperate and I hate it. It's so restricting playing what someone else came up with because it sometimes doesn't make sense to you. With originals it's less obvious when you mess up and you play something that makes sense to you because you came up with it. You put something to the song in the way you hear it. And no one is the boss either. No one is going to tell the other person what to play because none of us can really play in the official sense I like that about bands as opposed to solo projects. Having said all of that there's absolutely no taking away from how excellent this incarnation sounds. I really like what Emma does on the violin. Can really hear it coming through on various songs. I do sometimes wonder what Steve or Russell would've played.
And also Russell's violin always seemed a bit out of tune to me, like if someone just picked up and played it. I dont know, it added a dimension to the violin parts. Like in Have you seen her lately. It's a very strange violin.
Was he placing his fingers inbetween two notes or something, i dont know
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Enjoyed reading the discussion of Russell's violin style. Personally I really like it - can see why some people don't but for me, there's just something about the wonky, occasionally jarring strangeness that he added. Obviously untutored but always thoughtful - it always felt like he'd given serious consideration to what he could best add to the song to make it more interesting, or more exciting, or just take the mood somewhere. Which in his untutored way, I think he almost always did.
For what it's worth I think he was fully self-taught on violin, and only picked it up after he'd joined Pulp. I couldn't swear to it but I think he just found the violin in the back of the practice room. Tony Perrin told me that in the early days, they talked about Russ getting some lessons, but he declined, saying he was worried about getting too good!
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Jarvis sounds great in Party Hard, I will go to YouTube for more songs. Whats so funny to me is Jarvis always has some treats in his pocket to share to the crowd
Also, in som Instagram posts, the O2 first night was filmed. Anybody know what is it? Are we expecting some news?
I do wonder what he might have added to the Hardcore material. He seemed to have a producer in Chris Thomas who respected his idiosyncrasies and was able to harness them on Different Class.
I don't think he would have let I'm A Man or Grown Ups chug so much on guitar (sorry Mark!). Then again, he likely wouldn't have had the chops for the solo on Dishes, the climax on Hardcore and the histrionics on Sylvia.
God knows what he would have added on violin. That he tried to sabotage Help The Aged is quite amusing.
It's really very impressive to think that he performed the violin solo on Separations (the song) without any formal training.
Well when you think of it guitar and violin are not that different. Sure there's the archer to manage, but it can be done in a few weeks i'd say. Moving the fingers is then like soloing on guitar. I do think his "out of tune" sound comes from the fact that he did not get lesson. That's usually the sound you get when you start, that crying cat sound . Somehow he managed to make it sound right.
As for TIH, i'm kinda glad he's not on it. Or at least his violin, it was a welcoming change of sound. But he was also a very gifted guitarist, so maybe he would have added something different with the 6 strings.
He was more comfortable on guitar than violin but I don't think he was a gifted guitarist at all, not compared to his contemporaries (Butler being the most impressive, Coxon next, Gallagher last).
But he came up with guitar lines that were not obvious and not "rawk cliché". Often quite simple but he'd surprise you with something quite impressive like the glorious last minute of Lipgloss.
He had some great guitar riffs alright. I absolutely love his guitar on 59 Lyndhurst Grove and presuming that's him on You're A Nightmare too. The little flourishes on Live On. That all adds up when you've got someone adding in something distinctive.
I want to hear his guitar part for Cocaine Socialism! Apparently he was so pleased with it that it was written into the agreement when he left that they wouldn't use it, in case he wanted to put it in something else in future.
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hehe nice ! I'd like to hear all those alternate versions. Maybe someday ?
Russell had the ear for catchy guitar licks, that's for sure. I also love Butler (solo only i dont really like Suede, but his first album is one of my favorite ever), Coxon and Noel but not in the same order :D
Some guitarist for sure reivented the guitar in the 90s
It would be nice to hear and may be included in the instrumental version that they recorded before he left.
Speaking of Russell (and changing the subject slightly), I remember reading somewhere that he got a cut from "This is Hardcore" and "We Love Life" as part of his agreement. Does this mean that he will also get a cut from "More"?
Assume that was tied into their contract with Island so unless any of the More material coincided with his time in the band (Grown Ups was demo'd the month he left), I doubt it. He'll always get a cut of the royalties from live performances which must be a nice little bit of pocket money in times when Pulp are active.
Saw an interveiw with Jarvis this month somehwre where he said he hasn't spoken to Russell for ages, and next time he's round that way maybe he'd get in touch. Think he definitely wasn't asked.
Saw that too, Violin Thing, which sounded hopeful to me that there's still a connection there.
I thought Mark sounded quite hurt tbh in his book and somewhere else where I was reading his comments on what was said in Russell's book about him. Sad when ruptures happen. You can imagine though a band is a collection of people that might not otherwise mix. Be nice to think they are all on good terms though.
Assume that was tied into their contract with Island so unless any of the More material coincided with his time in the band (Grown Ups was demo'd the month he left), I doubt it. He'll always get a cut of the royalties from live performances which must be a nice little bit of pocket money in times when Pulp are active.
True. And due to Pulp's recent spike in popularity, one would expect sales of "His 'n' Hers" and "Different Class" to increase so he will definitely make something out of that.