Jarvis has signed pro-Palestine and pro-BDS things in the past, which is nice to know. He signed the Artists For Ceasefire letter in November last year, and in May, he pulled out of the Great Escape festival in Brighton, where he was to be the keynote speaker, in protest at Barclays being the sponsoring as Barclays invest in Israeli arms companies.

My perspective is, I think it's unlikely they're gonna come out and say anything stupid (or act like Yorke, who I've always felt was a bit of a cock).

I don't think it's too complicated to take sides. I tweet about it when I see the horrible things happening and I'm quite clear and upfront about that. But are obviously a different kettle of fish, they're a big band and they've had run-ins with the tabloid press already, especially Jarvis.

We shouldn't hold up celebrities and bands as our moral paragons. If they come out and say something dodgy, then sure (as has happened with Yorke) but I don't see that happening anytime soon. I wouldn't worry.

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Jarvis has signed pro-Palestine and pro-BDS things in the past, which is nice to know. He signed the Artists For Ceasefire letter in November last year, and in May, he pulled out of the Great Escape festival in Brighton, where he was to be the keynote speaker, in protest at Barclays being the sponsoring as Barclays invest in Israeli arms companies.

My perspective is, I think it's unlikely they're gonna come out and say anything stupid (or act like Yorke, who I've always felt was a bit of a cock).

I don't think it's too complicated to take sides. I tweet about it when I see the horrible things happening and I'm quite clear and upfront about that. But are obviously a different kettle of fish, they're a big band and they've had run-ins with the tabloid press already, especially Jarvis.

We shouldn't hold up celebrities and bands as our moral paragons. If they come out and say something dodgy, then sure (as has happened with Yorke) but I don't see that happening anytime soon. I wouldn't worry.

 

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Problem is past opinion on the palestnian / israel are void; The subject has totally changed in the last year, and everyone in this conflict is as much victim as they are culprit. 

this is fucked up really. 

I agree though that people take singer/actors/footballers in consideration way too much. Most of them are dumb or at best dont have a clue of what's really happening. i never understood the cult side of stardom. Stick to what you know. In that case, for Pulp, music, social commentary about england, love or clouds in the sky. That's it. 

I am on the fence here, Sarah. No problem with music being political - after all everything is political in some way, and Jarvis has been explicitly political on several occasions. In this particular case also, yeah, it is a no-brainer to be against the genocide. But I also feel like for people without much of a social media presence, they've done about as much as you would expect them to already, as Lipglossed said

Jarvis has signed pro-Palestine and pro-BDS things in the past, which is nice to know. He signed the Artists For Ceasefire letter in November last year, and in May, he pulled out of the Great Escape festival in Brighton, where he was to be the keynote speaker, in protest at Barclays being the sponsoring as Barclays invest in Israeli arms companies.

I am also a little disappointed with Thom Yorke, I already knew that Johnny Greenwood's wife (an Israeli) is openly Zionist and pro-IDF - her (and his) nephew was an IDF soldier killed in the war, and the statements they have made have all been along the lines of "Hamas should release the hostages." Johnny & his wife are also apparently TERFs, if that's something people would like to know, though they haven't made any public statements to confirm this. Guess the point is that Thom has always been openly political and it seems odd that he is conspicuously staying out when something is really at stake here.

(re: the US election, I have calmed myself down a bit now. I don't think Trump will win. not really doing twitter any more as it's not a nice place to be any more, but bluesky is much better, for now)

With my moderator hat on, I am not sure this is a topic to be discussed on this forum.  I have not read the thread nor do I intend to.

Can we just stick to discussing the music?