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Ian


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Now that we know what material Pulp had available at this time and we've heard a vocal version of "Got to Have Love" which is a winner, let's imagine that it is the year 2000 and they have just recorded a full album with Chris Thomas.

This is the tracklist I would go for:

1 After You
2 I Love Life
3 The Quiet Revolution
4 Weeds
5 Minnie
6 Wickerman
7 Grandfathers Nursery
8 The Birds In Your Garden
9 Bad Cover Version
10 Cuckoo Song
11 Got to Have Love
12 Sunrise

Singles would be "Got to Have Love", "After You" and "Weeds" in that order.

"Yesterday", "My Mistake" and "Forever in My Dreams" would be B-sides along with some of the songs we haven't heard.

"Bob Lind", "The Trees" and "Roadkill" would be held back for the next [Scott Walker produced] album.

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I love alternate universe tracklists

Here is mine, 10 track only but intense. Obviously would have needed a different production. 

Weeds
Got to Have Love
The Trees
The Quiet Revolution
Wickerman
The Birds In Your Garden
I Love Life
Bad Cover Version
After You
Sunrise

Was never a fan of Minnie and Grandfathers Nursery is more bside for me. All the tracks I dont include are bsides in my head.

Singles

Got to Have Love
- Forever in My Dreams
- Grandfathers Nursery

After You
- Bob Lind
- Yesterday

Bad Cover Version
- Minnie
- Roadkill



-- Edited by andy on Friday 4th of October 2024 08:12:35 PM



-- Edited by andy on Friday 4th of October 2024 08:13:10 PM

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I'd go with the stripped-back approach - slight, pretty songs with some new instrumentation (omnichord/glass harmonica etc.). Ditch the electric guitars where possible, organic vibez...

1 The Quiet Revolution
2 Got To Have Love
3 Roald Dahl
4 My Mistake
5 Grandfather's Nursery
6 My Body May Die

7 Cuckoo
8 Wickerman
9 The Birds In Your Garden
10 Duck Diving
11 Roadkill

Have Yesterday as a b-side if there were any singles.
And I bet amongst all the other songs they wrote around that time, there's a few more gentle gems.

Then, when the world at large think Pulp are in retirement mode, suprise the fuckers with a follow-up less than a year later. We Loved Life but now we're not so sure...:

1 Weeds/Weeds II (fused as per 2023/24 live version)
2 Minnie Timperley
3 After You
4 Trees
5 Bob Lind

6 Bad Cover Version
7 .....
8 .....
9 Forever In My Dreams
10 Sunrise


The two missing tracks can come from the ones we haven't heard. Bangers, like. Emmanuel?! WTF?!!! If it was slated for Hits, chances are it must be strong and different (more direct? Quicker?) to Miner's Strike.

Sorry, I just don't really rate I Love Life. Let it be a b-side. It can make babies with The Fear Complete and Dreary Utter Breakdown version.

When you think of the 1999 live shows and the really interesting setlists at Venice/Edinburgh/Cork; the "last" gig at Magna in '02, the live from Birmingham radio broadcast Halloween 2001, and the Leeds/Reading 2000/02 broadcasts, plus all of these demos from 1999-2000, you could have an extravagant We Love Life super-deluxe with half a dozen discs full of material mostly unreleased. Mental. A lot of similarly/less successful acts have done this. 2024 has been a good Pulp year, let us keep having nice things going forward...



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The Fear Complete and Dreary Utter Breakdown : i love this one, what's not to love ?

Anyway, overall We love Life era is less to taste, i listen to it, but i dont know, the songs are not up there with the rest of the catalog. You can feel they didn't really know where to go. Scott Walker's production doesn't help also. Its very timid.

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I guess I've always felt that Pulp never really convinced as a rock band which is to their credit, they were far more interesting/awkward than that.

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Eamonn wrote:

I guess I've always felt that Pulp never really convinced as a rock band which is to their credit, they were far more interesting/awkward than that.

 

Well Jarvis did a pretty good rock n roll record on his own ;)

I never heard it as a rock n roll song, though there's heavy guitars and "big" solos but in a Pulp Way. It's still a typical Pulp song to me. Compared to His and Hers its Metallica though biggrin



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Party Hard pretty rocks but in a Pulp way

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Yeah, that and the last couple of minutes of Sunrise are probably the best examples. Hair-metal pastiche of the last part of Sylvia not so much.

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Party Hard is glam metal, its pretty weird

I like the guitars on TIH, they have a "sound" (also i dont like that term), and a damn good one.

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That Webbo sound, it's special. I have to admit I have warmed to I Love Life and the Hawley/Mark call-response on The Fear Utter Breakdown is pretty great!

I like the rock breakdown on Sylvia because it's so deeply ironic... The music is grand and ecstatic but the chorus lyrics come across sounding so, so hollow and platitudinous. I like the contrast in that. It feels deliberate.

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The Fear Utter Breakdown was one of the song i taught myself guitar on; Well the whole TIH record. I used to come back from high school and play over it every afternoon.

... that and Be Here Now from Oasis (yes ! it's great hehe)

Both have in common to have pretty simple yet very interesting solos, melodic. Although Be Here Now was a bit more complicated.

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Also cocaine.

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I can't imagine certain songs out of the We Love Life context no Weeds without Weeds II, and those songs, Trees, Wickerman, I Love Life, Birds, Roadkill and Sunrise all fit together so well. They feel so thematically cohesive. It feels wrong imagining them on another album.

Having said that, I'd swap Roadkill or Bob Lind out for Duck Diving if I could.


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lipglossed wrote:

Also cocaine.

 biggrin

 

Well it seems to work for some people ! (i never tried drugs and dont intend to...) 



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Nor do I. I'm no cocaine socialist!

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