I'm really hoping they bring the string section along and the whole live band setup and just put out one final, beautiful record - then they can tour a bit more and call it a day.
I'd feel very fulfilled as a fan if that was how they ended it. We're very lucky to be getting what we're getting now as I thought it was over for good in 2012, but a nice latter-day record with all the bells and whistles would just cap things off wonderfully.
On a side-note, the Elysian Collective put an eye emoji on the instagram post mentioned above. The studio itself wrote 'Confirmed' as well. I'm getting very excited now.
On another side note, it could be a way as shown above to resurrect some of the WLL stuff that never came out on a deluxe edition. One can dream, right?
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-- Edited by legohairjordan on Wednesday 14th of August 2024 10:59:26 PM
I think that the best we can hope for is a brand new album released as a standard and deluxe version, the latter containing the lost 1999-2001 material.
I dont think they will and I dont think I want them to. Apart from suede, I cant think of any other band that has a gap of a decade and made a decent comeback LP. I would rather pulp not disappoint me.
A bit precious innit?! The integrity of the canon has been threatened since Freaks came out in 1987
Seriously though, they either think their new songs are good or they don't. If it's an EP rather than an album, it would be more down to not wanting to spend months/years in a studio rather than not believing in the material.
talk of the canon is a bit rich when it contains songs with titles like My Erection. I just meant that an album is a statement and so far there have been no bad ones. On the other hand, since there are no bad ones why would they start now?
I wonder if the possibility of reviving old demos from 2000 - as well as reducing the number of new songs to come up with would also be influenced by Steve's absence now and his presence then. He'd be credited on a new Pulp record for his basslines and co-writes on the original songs. And I can imagine he'd be listed as a band member in the liner notes with the album a tribute to him.
I would be happy if this theoretical Pulp album had a number of newly official members of Pulp on it. It wouldn't be the first lineup change, and they (we know who) have a great deal to contribute after all.
I would be a bit disappointed if the album were full of songs written a quarter of a century ago, I know tidying up loose ends etc., but it would be better to have a feeling of where they are now, not where they were then.
Agreed. To be greedy, I'd like 10-12 all brand new songs and finally a WLL deluxe at some stage of our lives.
But there's no denying that Jarvis does have form for reviving that 99/00 era in recent times both in the studio and live - see After You and Cuckoo.
And I can't see the appetite within Mark and Candida to help write and rehearse 20 or 30 new songs before whittling them down. It would take years and I don't think they'd be arsed.
Jarv Is... + Pulp both in terms of personnel and material is the only way we get a brand new Pulp album in my opinion.
Same as ArrGee, I feel trepidations about any new recordings. I fear that theyre not going to hold a candle to their old records though I know that possibly those songs just mean so much to me, at this point, that nothings going to match them.
But I am curious and interested in what they do next... and Ill support anything and everything they care to do. It's certainly exciting.
I don't get why it's considered such a bad thing when a band's reunion album is merely "OK"
Its rare that any act makes an OK LP after a decade or more away. Normally they are simply poor. Only acts I can think of making good comebacks are suede and Bowie (The Next Day), and to their credit both subsequently made better LPs. Merely OK is not good enough.
I didn't think either of those comebacks were anything special (a solid three stars/6 outta 10s). So much so that when Bowie brought out Lazarus ahead of Blackstar, it took me a few weeks to bother with it cos I'd been a bit non-plussed by The Next Day. The best song on it imo was a bonus track called Heat - which sounds like a Scott Walker homage ("The Electrician" vibes).
Although I do remember listening to the Blackstar album the weekend it came out and the day before he died.
But I'd have confidence Pulp could pull it off based on the new songs they've performed since last year and also the strength of the WLL and Jarv Is... unreleased material if they go down that road.
I didn't think either of those comebacks were anything special (a solid three stars/6 outta 10s). So much so that when Bowie brought out Lazarus ahead of Blackstar, it took me a few weeks to bother with it cos I'd been a bit non-plussed by The Next Day.
Which begs the question has any act made a good album after a decade or so away? Or even an album as good as anything else they did before.
I was impressed by Suede's return and wasn't disappointed by their subsequent 3 albums. Blur's first return album didn't match my expectations but weren't bad. If Pulp's was anything less than great, I'd be disappointed; but just because I hold them in such high regard.
I didn't think either of those comebacks were anything special (a solid three stars/6 outta 10s). So much so that when Bowie brought out Lazarus ahead of Blackstar, it took me a few weeks to bother with it cos I'd been a bit non-plussed by The Next Day.
Which begs the question has any act made a good album after a decade or so away? Or even an album as good as anything else they did before.
Speaking from the artists I love: Slowdive, My Bloody Valentine, Failure, Primus, Faith No More.
Slowdive especially - their first reunion album holds a special place as one of my favourite records of all time.
It can be done. Not that I'm expecting some kind of magnum opus from Pulp at this stage, but with the factors at play, as well as the added band members from the string section, there's scope for a really touching farewell album that would just tie things up nicely.
Aw, I absolutely loved The Next Day and Blackstar :) I love Bowie full stop and find myself going through phases where I'll be mad into the early 70s stuff, then I'll be mad into the 90s stuff and to be honest I hold TND and Blackstar right up there with his best works. Just goes to show how taste differs! Pulp really blew me away last year when I wasn't expecting it. That stage production was so well put together and presented. The string section added so much. I can definitely hear them and see them managing something very special. I'm equally happy if they don't record anything at all. We've a great canon of work there already to enjoy endlessly. One song I would just love to hear recorded with the string section in all its glory is Hymn of the North. That's right up there for me as one of my favourites. Just one of those songs that really moves me. An album can have 6 or 7 songs (station to station, blackstar). Doesn't have to be a 12 song affair. Cuckoo is another one I'd love to hear in better quality. Grandfather's Nursey is already there. What will be will be.
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Aw, I absolutely loved The Next Day and Blackstar :) I love Bowie full stop and find myself going through phases where I'll be mad into the early 70s stuff, then I'll be mad into the 90s stuff and to be honest I hold TND and Blackstar right up there with his best works. Just goes to show how taste differs!
Agreed. The Next Day was an unexpected triumph. Buddha of Surburbia was the only LP post Lets Dance that I really liked prior to that and it was only a soundtrack. Some good tracks on other LPs but a lot of it was hit and miss. Blackstar was as good as anything else Bowie made in my opinion. Well except Aladdin Sane. Nothing beats that as far as I am concerned.
My point is, even if the new album is superior to say, Freaks or the Masters compilation, but doesn't surpass what is recognised as the more 'classic' music, does that mean it should never come out? Would it really detract from any so-called legacy, just because it was 6/10? I don't see why.
I love The Next Day! Big highlights for me would be How Does the Grass Grow? and Valentine's Day but I pretty much like it all. I often think with that album he perfected each sound he had. For example, If You Can See Me sounds like an Earthling era song but if it was on Earthling it'd be a contender for its best track. Valentine's Day is like a contender for the Ziggy era, How does the grass... that's like Scary Monsters era etc etc. Heat is like Outside era. You feel so lonely... that's like Heathen era. I just felt like he revisited everything and perfected it with that album. Then once the slate was clean he could produce the likes of Blackstar and surprise everyone all over again.
I think Buddha is his strongest 90s offering but I have a soft spot for Outside and Earthling too.
He left us on a real high and even if he hadn't done those last 2 albums he was always going to be my old favourite but it was a fitting end artistically to do those last two particularly Blackstar and I'm so happy there was the time for it to happen.
Same with Pulp. They'll always have huge emotional significance to me no matter what happens but going back to what Jarvis said before about Glastonbury 95 would be the closing scene in the film...sometimes my mind wanders off to imagining them leaving on another high in album terms. WLL has been the end in my mind for years though and it's fitting in it's own way. They had the success (DC), then the hangover (TiH) and this(WLL) was like picking themselves back up and swearing to live a cleaner life after the hangover here comes sunrise. And that's one nice ending. A sunset could be one too though. What will be will be. It's been a fantastic voyage either way :)
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Portisheads Third was worth a ten year wait and felt authentic when it landed. Its the risk of pastiche that gets you worrying. Suede started self-parodying well before they even split up
Jarvis has shown no evidence of losing it with his solo & collaborative projects. I think hed know better than to overdo the fingerwaving. The man has great taste. I suspect thered be more along the lines of Hymn of the North, and refinement of that sort of song, than a collection of After Yous. That fits Jarvis writing trajectory too methinks, and continues the tradition of slower, spoken-word efforts that Pulp do so well. And will be kinder to his vocal range.
I love how organically We Love Life takes everything full circle. That album and Hardcore feel like companion pieces. With We Love Life you have the mature musical progression of Pulp's sound, given air and room to breathe for the first time proper. And it's there in the songs: Bad Cover Version recalls the jealous ballads of His 'N' Hers, Weeds recalls the class anthems of Different Class, it's all in there; especially in Wickerman which is an odyssey through all of those past stories, meandering yet purposeful... so beautiful and poetic... it's an album about how endings are beginnings, and it's never too late to start again and open a new page... life, death, and renewal, through nature's life-cycles (trees and sunrise), and before the sunrise the penultimate track Roadkill sounds like it could be off the very first Pulp album... a foray into the past then a leap into the new...
I could honestly be talked into thinking it's the greatest thing Pulp have ever done (even though I don't go a bundle on Bob Lind). But as perfectly as it brings things full-circle, it leaves the future open. That's the genius of a wise, wise album that knew it was ending something before the jig was actually up: the fact there's unfinished business is actually what so neatly finishes the business. The three songs we've heard (two Jarvis/Hawley tinkerings and one outright Pulp track) all plough that same furrow.
Everything has been incredibly astute with how the Pulp legacy has been managed. Jarvis got to go and do his own thing and make songs he couldn't with Pulp, like his album with Steve Albini (it's so sad to think that half the people in the room on Further Complications aren't with us anymore). And Pulp sat back and saw that Pulp aged incredibly, incredibly well - finer than fine wine - songs like Common People and Mis-Shapes have only grown in momentous purpose... we need them more than ever now, really, really, more than ever. I think they know that.
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Please try go a bundle on Bob. You won't regret it.
Sorry to drag further off topic but surly I can't be the only one who thinks Bob Lind is the best song on the album?
To me it's a great companion peice to 'Dishes'. Both songs have strange, jangly, almost ethereal strings that seem to be going in completely different direction to everything else that's going on, and then, every so often it all comes together magically and gives me a bit of the goosebumps. Similarly the lyrics to both hit hard with their humble resignation and acceptance of fate.
Bob is probably the only song on WLL I revisit with any regularity. I'm boggled it's gets slagged off so often. What's to hate? I mean, Roadkill is hardly even a song, and it doesn't get half the abuse.
Hmm. To me, Bob is just fine. I think the first side is just fabulous but the second side of WLL has a little too much air left in it. And I think that's part of the charm, really. Roadkill isn't incredible but it's incredibly sad, and it's homely and nice and it sounds like it could've been on It, and it's an essential forlorn piece of that final album that I think is necessary even if it isn't one I really return to... there's so much emotion bound up in that song, all the "time torn off unused" as Larkin put it, the latent sadness that's always been there in the background is finally fully voiced on the penultimate Pulp song. But it isn't quite as good as Someone Like the Moon, because it's always easier and nicer to listen to sad portraits that are less close to the bone, that retain a sense of affable dog-eared charm...