I think Russell had already gone by the time Pulp started working on The Fear. According to Pulpwiki it was recorded sometime between March 97 and January 98 if that helps
I also thought that Russell had originally worked on this track but his violin additions were subsequently replaced with a sustained guitar for the finished hardcore recording..
He's not on it, although he did once tell me it was one of the songs on TiH that he liked. He also said it was familiar to him because they messed about with an earlier, jokier form of it when he was in the band - I guess it grew out of Frightened (would have asked, but I hadn't heard it when we had this conversation!)
-- Edited by Sturdy on Monday 11th of December 2023 09:54:45 AM
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He's not on it, although he did once tell me it was one of the songs on TiH that he liked. He also said it was familiar to him because they messed about with an earlier, jokier form of it when he was in the band - I guess it grew out of Frightened (would have asked, but I hadn't heard it when we had this conversation!)
-- Edited by Sturdy on Monday 11th of December 2023 09:54:45 AM
Did he name any other songs from after his tenure that he liked?
Yes. Interview coming this month, I promise. I finished my finals yesterday so now I can devote my attention to sending Stephen the interview draft (which shouldn't take very long)...
There's a nice little wrinkle to Russell liking Wickerman...
-- Edited by lipglossed on Monday 18th of December 2023 03:53:12 AM
He's not on it, although he did once tell me it was one of the songs on TiH that he liked. He also said it was familiar to him because they messed about with an earlier, jokier form of it when he was in the band - I guess it grew out of Frightened (would have asked, but I hadn't heard it when we had this conversation!)
Did he name any other songs from after his tenure that he liked?
Never really went into it in depth, but I remember chatting to him around the time The Trees came out and he said he'd heard it on the radio and quite liked it.
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I vaguely remember him saying in an interview around the time of "This is Hardcore" that he considered "FEELINGCALLEDLOVE" to be the future sound of Pulp. I'm guessing, therefore, that he liked "Seductive Barry" as this also contained plenty of dark spoken bits.
That was in the Radio One doc to promote the release of TIH. In which he also professes his dislike for the cheesiness of the Babies riff and the soppy balladeering of Summat Changed. Hard to please the Senior.
Russell didn't like Something Changed or Help the Aged' or Babies, Candida didn't like Disco 2000 or Babies or The Fear, Mark didn't like Sorted for E's and Wizz or A Little Soul or This Is Hardcore, Jarvis and Steve didn't like Mis-Shapes...
I think it's maybe a bit of an overstatement to say they didn't like some of those - with Babies and Disco 2000, wasn't it more a case that they started to wear a bit thin through having to trot them out every night for however many years?
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It's funny because it's hard to imagine how Pulp could have become the Pulp we know and love without Russell being there. Having said that, is it also fair to say him joining (post-It) helped push them down a very difficult route for a good few years?
I think it's maybe a bit of an overstatement to say they didn't like some of those - with Babies and Disco 2000, wasn't it more a case that they started to wear a bit thin through having to trot them out every night for however many years?
Ah but that seems slightly disingenuous to me since Pulp's setlists has been fairly calcified for past 30 years (minus the odd surprise song every now and again). It's not like they don't have a couple hundred songs in their songbook that they could mix up their setlist with. Nobody is making them play the same songs every night, except themselves. If their audience has come to expect "the hits" its because that's what Pulp have trained audiences to expect. I suspect Russell would agree?
Not salty, I have enjoyed the recent shows immensely and if the hits are what they want to play, so-be-it But don't simultaneously whinge about it as if they've no other choice.
I do think it a bit odd the various band members are dipping into nostalgic biographies largely about their glorious ne'er-do-weller youth in the '80s, and yet they'll still not bothered to revisit the songs from that era. But that's a topic for another thread.
I think it's maybe a bit of an overstatement to say they didn't like some of those - with Babies and Disco 2000, wasn't it more a case that they started to wear a bit thin through having to trot them out every night for however many years?
Ah but that seems slightly disingenuous to me since Pulp's setlists has been fairly calcified for past 30 years (minus the odd surprise song every now and again). It's not like they don't have a couple hundred songs in their songbook that they could mix up their setlist with. Nobody is making them play the same songs every night, except themselves. If their audience has come to expect "the hits" its because that's what Pulp have trained audiences to expect. I suspect Russell would agree?
Not salty, I have enjoyed the recent shows immensely and if the hits are what they want to play, so-be-it But don't simultaneously whinge about it as if they've no other choice.
I do think it a bit odd the various band members are dipping into nostalgic biographies largely about their glorious ne'er-do-weller youth in the '80s, and yet they'll still not bothered to revisit the songs from that era. But that's a topic for another thread.
Its hard for a band to do a live show and not play the "hits". People expect the band to play them, maybe not all them but yeah, if they only played obscure songs, they would get booed.
Also, people who pay for the tour usually include the contractual obligation to play certain songs nowadays. Back then, i suppose the label was also very insistent for the band to play such and such.
To be fair to the band, most people who go to the Pulp gigs have zero interest in hearing stuff pre- His and hers. I'd say even pre Different Class. Most go for DC material.
When they played stuff like Razzmatazz or Little Girl with Blue Eeys in the gigs i went to in 2012, the crowd went silent.
Russell didn't like Something Changed or Help the Aged' or Babies, Candida didn't like Disco 2000 or Babies or The Fear, Mark didn't like Sorted for E's and Wizz or A Little Soul or This Is Hardcore, Jarvis and Steve didn't like Mis-Shapes...
How, how, how can you not like This is Hardcore. I mean, wow... It's one of the best song ever written. Shame on you Mark !
Russell didn't like Something Changed or Help the Aged' or Babies, Candida didn't like Disco 2000 or Babies or The Fear, Mark didn't like Sorted for E's and Wizz or A Little Soul or This Is Hardcore, Jarvis and Steve didn't like Mis-Shapes...
How, how, how can you not like This is Hardcore. I mean, wow... It's one of the best song ever written. Shame on you Mark !
Mark's comments on "This is Hardcore": "I was never a very big fan of this song. I can appreciate that it's good work, but I never really liked it from the outset. Jarvis didn't want people to expect an album of Common People and Disco 2000. He wanted to redraw the boundaries, and recently it's been a case of Jarvis' will overriding everyone else's common sense."
I think it's more a case of him wanting different songs on the album / as singles but Jarvis not agreeing.
Russell didn't like Something Changed or Help the Aged' or Babies, Candida didn't like Disco 2000 or Babies or The Fear, Mark didn't like Sorted for E's and Wizz or A Little Soul or This Is Hardcore, Jarvis and Steve didn't like Mis-Shapes...
How, how, how can you not like This is Hardcore. I mean, wow... It's one of the best song ever written. Shame on you Mark !
Mark's comments on "This is Hardcore": "I was never a very big fan of this song. I can appreciate that it's good work, but I never really liked it from the outset. Jarvis didn't want people to expect an album of Common People and Disco 2000. He wanted to redraw the boundaries, and recently it's been a case of Jarvis' will overriding everyone else's common sense."
I think it's more a case of him wanting different songs on the album / as singles but Jarvis not agreeing.
Thanx for that. Well... It's a weird comment, i know pulp was some kind of democracy which is unusual in a band, but we have basically all the songs they had from that time... And it was the right choice. I'm glad it was the lead single, i'm glad they made a video with it, i'm glad Jarvis pushed for that album coz 25 years later of the day it was released, it was clear that it's 99% perfect. It's now recognized as a masterpiece, which wasn't the case back then.
So Mark was wrong.
That said, I think a band should properly record all the material they have at the moment of creation, because when the moment has passed... It wont ever be the same. Example : After You.
Maybe Mark wanted some of the demos instead ? They should have recorded them, at least Street Operator and You Are the One
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I found that interview, I didnt know Mark had such bad taste
Mark: "There are two songs on the album that I can't bear to listen to. 'TV Movie' is a good song but it wasn't recorded the way it should have been, and 'A Little Soul' is just terrible. But I do tend to see the bad side of things."
3 wonderful songs. Recorded perfectly.
In the end, Steve Words are spot on. "to someone with fresh ears in 20 years, those records will sound beautiful. That's the kind of framework in which l'm trying to think of this album".
I wonder what Mark thinks of these songs nowadays.
-- Edited by andy on Wednesday 20th of December 2023 08:44:31 AM
Ahh, but Mark's right about Sorted though. One of the weaker songs on Different Class. If Live Bed Show had been its extended version, and Pencil Skirt had sounded more like it does live, than Sorted would win the title of 'Different Class's weakest track' hands down.
Ahh, but Mark's right about Sorted though. One of the weaker songs on Different Class. If Live Bed Show had been its extended version, and Pencil Skirt had sounded more like it does live, than Sorted would win the title of 'Different Class's weakest track' hands down.
Yeah maybe it was not a single, but i guess the topic of the song helped, it was a bit provocative. It's nowhere near a bad song though, still holds up 30 years later. Good album track.
Live Bed Show was probably too close musically to Something Changed, they needed something a bit more "fun" as a single
-- Edited by andy on Wednesday 20th of December 2023 12:24:03 PM