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...that the David in 'Babies' - "from the garage up the road"...

...is the David from 'David's Last Summer'! He's in two songs on His 'N' Hers!

(Yes, I know Babies is a few years older. But still...)



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Nice idea. Ive always wanted confirmation that Polythene Pam is Mean Mr Mustards sister

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Is Neve a boy or a girl? That verse always confused me.

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lipglossed wrote:

...that the David in 'Babies' - "from the garage up the road"...

...is the David from 'David's Last Summer'! He's in two songs on His 'N' Hers!

(Yes, I know Babies is a few years older. But still...)




I noticed that ages ago. I have always pondered the meaning of "David's Last Summer" as the lyrics detail a party and two lovers without making any specific references to him and why it was his "last summer". Is the title cut from something longer, such as "We went to a party at David's last summer"? Was it his last summer before going off to university? Before his death? There are several possibilities.

It's also worth noting that Susan from the 3 songs on the reverse of "Razzmatazz" later reappears in "The Babysitter". I have always assumed that this song was set a few years later as she had married an architect in London in "59 Lyndhurst Grove", so after that they presumably had children together, hence the need for a babysitter.

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I have always pondered the meaning of "David's Last Summer" as the lyrics detail a party and two lovers without making any specific references to him and why it was his "last summer". Is the title cut from something longer, such as "We went to a party at David's last summer"? Was it his last summer before going off to university? Before his death? There are several possibilities.

 I always think of it as simply meaning his last summer of innocence: his last real 'summer' as a kid, his last experience of the idealised, teenaged summertime that the song encapsulates. It's a moment of youthful innocence and also one of coming-of-age; and because of that coming-of-age, he'll never have an experience like it again.



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Yes, that's always been my interpretation of it too. Some of the scenes in David's Last Summer obviously have a lot in common with Jarvis' story in the Do You Remember the First Time film, which fits with the end-of-innocence thing.

Ian, I'm sure Jarvis has confirmed in interviews that The Babysitter is a continuation of the Inside Susan story as you say.

If you try to break down the lyrics of Babies, the story doesn't really make that much sense does it! There's a loose thread but it's really a jumble of different scenes. Kind of a dream-like quality to it.

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Eamonn wrote:

Is Neve a boy or a girl? That verse always confused me.

 Maybe it's just a name Jarvis liked. Like Manon!



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The lines:
"And so you went with Neve
Oh yeah, and Neve was coming on
And I thought I heard you laughing
when his mum and dad were gone"
would imply that he is a male character.

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I know but for a song about two sisters where only male names are mentioned (David and Neve if it is a bloke), seems weird.

Plus, have you ever heard of a boy called Neve? Neve Campbell, the actress, pronounces her name "Nave" but I have a sister called Niamh whose name is pronounced the way Jarvis sings it. I hope its not about her but I wouldn't trust Jarvis with any female friend or relative tbh even at his current age of 59 and three quarters....



-- Edited by Eamonn on Sunday 11th of June 2023 03:23:58 PM

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Eamonn wrote:

I know but for a song about two sisters where only male names are mentioned (David and Neve if it is a bloke), seems weird.

Plus, have you ever heard of a boy called Neve? Neve Campbell, the actress, pronounces her name "Nave" but I have a sister called Niamh whose name is pronounced the way Jarvis sings it. I hope its not about her but I wouldn't trust Jarvis with any female friend or relative tbh even at his current age of 59 and three quarters....



-- Edited by Eamonn on Sunday 11th of June 2023 03:23:58 PM

 Why wouldn't you trust him with them?



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I wasn't being entirely serious.

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Ian wrote:

It's also worth noting that Susan from the 3 songs on the reverse of "Razzmatazz" later reappears in "The Babysitter". I have always assumed that this song was set a few years later as she had married an architect in London in "59 Lyndhurst Grove", so after that they presumably had children together, hence the need for a babysitter.

 In 'The Babysitter' she's described as having "long black hair". Maybe the protagonist of 'Lipgloss' finished off her cigarette.

 



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