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I don't think any of us had ever thought a tape of this gig ever existed. I've never even seen a setlist for it.

 

But here it is, in all its glory. Enjoy!

Https://youtu.be/k_FZBeZoZ_0

 

 



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Short set but great as a time capsule since the '88-'90 years are so barren in both Pulp recordings and actual gigs they played.

Some good Jarvis banter here and Russell isn't too out of tune. Unlike the next gig which looks like it was the televised New Sessions back at the Leadmill three months later. And a couple of days before My Legendary Girlfriend came out. Unfortunately they don't play that song on this 1990 show although he does plug the next single.


Audio of an older Leadmill gig also recently appeared on YouTube, not sure of its already out there: youtu.be/paupwSe_5mM

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Short set but great as a time capsule since the '88-'90 years are so barren in both Pulp recordings and actual gigs they played.

Some good Jarvis banter here and Russell isn't too out of tune. Unlike the next gig which looks like it was the televised New Sessions back at the Leadmill three months later. And a couple of days before My Legendary Girlfriend came out. Unfortunately they don't play that song on this 1990 show although he does plug the next single.


Audio of an older Leadmill gig also recently appeared on YouTube, not sure of its already out there: youtu.be/paupwSe_5mM


I think that recording you linked to is from this gig. If I recall correctly, it was also shared as part of the Pulp Portfolio project.



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I did check that but thought it was a different gig as they finish with Master of the Universe and the one you linked to ends with Maureen. But maybe the taper just missed the encore as the main set finishes with MotU.

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Very good spot there Stephen! Like everyone else I never suspected there'd be a tape of this one. And it's surprisingly good, considering the New Sessions one a couple of months later is pretty ropey. Maybe that one just caught them on a bad night, or just an especially unforgiving recording.

Weird setlist. Considering they were supporting World of Twist (and, indeed, considering Mark Webber's always mentioned this show being the one where they won the kids over with their new disco sound) you'd think they'd pull out a few more disco bangers, but it's mainly the ballady songs other than Countdown at the end.

Here's hoping a few things from 1988 and 89 will show up one day to fill the gap.

Oh, and re the 1986 show on Youtube, that is indeed the November Leadmill one that's done the rounds but with the encore chopped off.

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Finally got time to listen to this just now. The band are pretty good to say they probably haven't rehearsed for months. Separations is such a good song and Countdown is a great closer.

What stuck out to me was Jarvis plugging a 12" with three songs due out in February on Fire Records. Which three songs would they have been then? Is he talking about the MLG record released in March? I presume so. Shame they couldn't cobble together a performance for the show. It's funny cos when the started Love is Blind I thought to myself "this sounds a lot like MLG!" It's also a miles better performance than the New Sessions one just a few months hence. Good grief but that's a grim lifeless, tuneless show.

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I think New Sessions seems ropier than is strictly fair, as the guitar is very high in the mix - and out of tune. The tracks with the violin leading them are much better.

I don't think there's *that* much between the two gigs, really. I am impressed at how tight they sound in this, though. Nearly two years since their last gig.

Also, historically interesting in that Jarvis talks about 'Countdown' being the next single out in March, when it turned out to be My Legendary Girlfriend (that they didn't even play this night!) instead.

The 12" with three tracks? Could it have been Countdown and the two MLG remixes?


And yes, Mark, weird setlist on this. Love is Blind and Countdown are great, but the rest of the set is similar to the Freaks shows.

This gig was recorded by the amazing YouTube guy who uploads shedloads of long-long Peel sessions. He happened to be in Sheffield for one night only, and taped this gig. He's only recently dug it out of his loft and converted it.

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Yeah, the MLG 12". Guess the release date slipped from Feb to March.

That New Sessions gig got a great review in one of the music papers at the time (it's on PulpWiki). Agree with your comments though. I guess something got lost in translation when it was filmed - the way most of the songs are chopped off at either the beginning or the end doesn't help. And obviously, neither does the fact that Russell's hopelessly out-of-tune guitar is rather high in the mix...

Random weird fact: Bob Dickinson, who presented and produced the New Sessions programme, was the original keyboard player in Magazine.



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Was Separations in the can by this point or were they still tinkering with the mix and overdubs the odd time Jarvis and Steve were back up from London?

Looking at the wiki, this seems to be the only thing at all that Pulp did in 1990...I think Russell describes it as a fallow year in his book (think it was the same year he spent time selling ice creams).

Given all that, they don't sound bad at all here. Muscle memory rather than recent practice, I guess!

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Separation was completely done by the start of 1990. I'd imagine they had a practice or two in the run-up to the gig!

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Ace version of Separations..

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Eamonn wrote:

Looking at the wiki, this seems to be the only thing at all that Pulp did in 1990...I think Russell describes it as a fallow year in his book (think it was the same year he spent time selling ice creams).

Given all that, they don't sound bad at all here. Muscle memory rather than recent practice, I guess!


It's strange listening through the Pulp catalogue roughly in order, because if you didn't look at the dates you'd say there was an uninterrupted rush of creativity from 'Death Comes to Town' to Different Class. The moment he sings 'Do it' you could be in 1995, and yet behind the scenes there was so much further to go. One concert in 1990!



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And then a mountain of live recordings and video for 1991 and then almost no video from '92 but plenty of live tapes...
I really like this 1990 tape, far superior to the nasty new sessions recording..

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Speaking of Death Comes To Town, is there any other versions cirulating aside from the Limit/Drury Lane?

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I doubt it, unless any other recordings from any year between '87 and '89 suffice and/or are being held in someone else's back pocket.

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I think that 'New Sessions' wouldn't sound half as bad if it was a vaguely muddily-recorded audience tape. As it is, with the out-of-tune guitar so high in the crystal clear mix, it sounds bad. The violin-led songs sound pretty much fine to me, though.

A live version of Death Comes to Town from 9th August 1988 still exists - in video form! It's in position of the band though, and has never been fully released.

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Doesn't the Death comes video have the disco 12" version as it's soundtrack?
And the actual Aug '88 show exist on a 4 track tape that needs a bit of a mix to pull the tunes together?

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I asked Mark Webber about the Aug '88 Day that Never Happened recording a few years ago. It's not 4-track - just a direct feed from the sound engineer's headphone mix. This apparently makes it a rather frustrating listen as the engineer kept soloing various instruments to check the sound. Seems like it's not something that would be releasable sadly.

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Just release the footage then !

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Headphone mix?
Bullshit..
No such a thing.
Mono or stereo live desk mix for sure but no separate output to record headphone mix..
And why on earth would you record a headphone mix?

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Sturdy wrote:

I asked Mark Webber about the Aug '88 Day that Never Happened recording a few years ago. It's not 4-track - just a direct feed from the sound engineer's headphone mix. This apparently makes it a rather frustrating listen as the engineer kept soloing various instruments to check the sound. Seems like it's not something that would be releasable sadly.


 Im almost certain it is the Death Goes To The Disco version that was used on the video.



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Headphone mix?
Bullshit..
No such a thing.
Mono or stereo live desk mix for sure but no separate output to record headphone mix..
And why on earth would you record a headphone mix?

 

Surely it could've turned out like that for any number of reasons. Limitations of the desk meaning the headphone socket was the only output? Someone plugged the tape recorder into the wrong socket?

Not sure why Webber would've bothered to make something like that up... or do you know something the rest of us don't?



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I just find it bizarre that a recording would be made with a feed from a live mix that isolates instruments.
Every soundboard/mixing desk I've ever encountered has dedicated outputs either for stereo or mono monitoring during a performance, no matter how primitive the equipment these are the minimum of features..
And this is the Leadmill, no stranger to hosting live entertainment, surely their gear would be substantial and up to date enough to make a reasonable stereo or mono mix recording on a tape device?
If, as you describe, that they are the facts then it's sheer incompetance to blame..
Bearing in mind that this was to be made into a concert film release, so an audio recording of reasonable quality would surely be an important addition along with the visual footage?
So, to that end i kind of don't believe that a decent recording doesn't exist..



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JASON wrote:

If, as you describe, that they are the facts then it's sheer incompetance to blame..


Well, this is '80s Pulp we're talking about after all!

I know it was filmed by those students but I don't really know what the plan was (if any) with the end product. It's not like they had the market (or the budget) for a 'Pulp In Concert' video release - they didn't even have a record deal. I guess whatever plans they did have got scuppered when the whole thing turned out to be a bit of a disaster. I'd love to see/hear any of it though!



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