superchob wrote:

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How many shifted copies of WLL would it take to have Island insist on a deluxe edition? 

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I doubt they will ever re-release the Pulp CDs.  Maybe as downloads, but given they are all freely available (well nearly free on amazon, 1p + £1.26 postage) it just wouldn't be worthwhile.

Vinyl deluxes; original albums as was, so Babies off His n Hers and a second album for each would be nice.  Might try and pop into HMV at weekend and take a look but suspect they won't stock them in Stratford.

robbroncs wrote:

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except the Fire records. they will be re-issued every 5 years for eternity

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Given the Fire recordings been sliced and diced in so many ways, I can't see what else they can do.

Doubt even Fire will release any more CDs.  Vinyl or download seems to be all most record companies worry about these days.  Profits from CDs are too low.

All that said, some of the Fire vinyl re-releases have been pretty good, not sure I would spend £15+p&p on it, bur this does look very nice.

http://www.firerecords.com/wp/product/pulp-little-girl-with-blue-eyes-2015-coloured-vinyl/

At 3.40 you can see them.  Different Class doesn't look like interchangeable cover. 

the-gothic-stringbean wrote:

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Oh nice! Does anyone know if the This is Hardcore repress has a gatefold sleeve like the original? They list it as one LP, so I'm assuming no.

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 Yes it does.

Bought all four today in Cheltenham - haven't got any of the originals on vinyl.

Eamonn wrote:

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Hopefully if sales are good they will consider future reissues (Intro/Hits/Peel(?) on vinyl or even better some sort of release (non-vinyl most likely) with all the remaining unreleased demos from 92-00.

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Intro would be good as it is a perfect LP running at 40 minutes, but I'm not so sure about Hits nor Peel Sessions.  In my opinion, Hardcore is a better CD album as the breaks on LP are not conducive to listening to it whilst We Love Life, Different Class and His n Hers are on the limit of what can be squeezed onto an LP.  (Not stopped me getting them though)

Hits shouldn't be on vinyl for the simple reason that it isn't a proper album and would have to be a double LP with the second LP likely to be unwanted.

The Peel Sessions given it is the sessions along with three live shows of varying length would not be particularly coherent on LP.  Its length would mean at least 3 LPs and possibly 4.

If there has to be a vinyl LP, Pulp should release a ChangesOneBowie/Marley Legend/Jam Snap like hits collection with all killer and no filler.  10-12 tracks (ideally single mixes, possibly the odd LP track)

so that would make it something like ...

1. Razzmatazz
2. Babies
3. Lip Gloss
4. Do You Remember The First Time?
5. Common People
6. Sorted for Es and Wizz
7. Disco 2000
8. The Fear  (or alternative album track)
9. This Is Hardcore
10. Sunrise

(Sadly omitting My Legendary Girlfriend as it is not an Island recording)

the-gothic-stringbean wrote:

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.... they should have a Deluxe Edition reissue of We Love Life before anything else gets a reissue.

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I suspect that that ship has sailed.   It's ten years since the deluxe releases and record companies don't have much appetite for releasing CDs.  All the deluxe editions (along with those from numerous other acts) ended up in the bargain racks at FOPP, and they were the three popular albums.    More likely there will be a big Pulp retrospective like the suede and blur boxes.  Who knows, these LPs may be the advance party for that type of thing. 

Eamonn wrote:

Having said that, I'm not too sure about record companies not having appetite for releasing CDs anymore. Obviously it depends on the label and artist, but if you follow the superdeluxeedition website (come on, doesn't everyone??!)

I didn't know a superdeluxeedition site even existed, so I don't.  Do you have a link?

I have a few of these mainly due to FOPP selling them off cheap, but they are more for the completist.  I have to confess that when they were released that I just downloaded the Pulp tracks I didn't have initially before eventually buying them on the cheap.  

Record companies aren't so keen on releasing CDs because the profits are low and there are so few high street retailers selling them.  Vinyl and downloads have a better profit margin.  I have veered away from the second hand vinyl LP world in recent times and the insane prices back to CDs which cost £1 or less.  Cheaper to buy them rip them and chuck them in the garbage (not that I ever do that). 

I see it is the bleeding obvious http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/

Eamonn wrote:

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Re the Bowie Five Years box set - it's not aimed at casual fans who may be missing some of those Bowie albums. The inclusion of the Re:Call rare discs is a clear ploy to entice big fans to shell-out for the product. They know many of those people probably have five different copies of Ziggy Stardust already but a lavish box presented nicely with a few rarities chucked in will help tempt some of those fans. Therefore it didn't make commercial sense to issue Re:Call separately.

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I have four copies of Ziggy Stardust and don't need another two which are the same 40th anniversary LP and DVD that I bought four years ago.  

http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/reviews/david-bowie-ziggy-stardust-40th-anniversary-cd-and-lpdvd-reissue/

They have released almost all of the LPs separately (all at about £10 on amazon right now),  and I guess that Re:call will eventually appear.  Probably just ahead of the next lavish box set covering Diamond Dogs to STATIONTOSTATION.

That said, I would buy a Pulp 5 LP + double rarities LP despite having Different Class, Hardcore and His n Hers on CD, deluxe CD and LP, some more than once.  

saw119 wrote:

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There's nothing really, really interesting on that Re:call 1 set anyway.

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I know it is mostly mono and single mixes which I could do without, but I have downloaded Amsterdam off side 2 of the second LP which is pretty hard to find.  Only time I believe it was ever released was on the ryko of Pin Ups which is the one Bowie album of the 1970s I refused to buy.  Until a couple of weeks ago, that is.

I had my head in the sand when the re-issues came out, and didn't know about them until August, when the only album left in my local HMV's was His n Hers.  I finally got a vinyl copy of We Love Life today (thanks to ArrGee), which I have wanted for years, but couldn't afford.  The only one I haven't got (so far) is Different Class - I'm trying to resist it, as I'm skint, but it is hard to resist Pulp.

I don't know anything about technical stuff, but it has been really exciting to listen to them, as they sound different from the CD's to me (I don't claim they are better, just different).  The bass seems more prominent, the vocals more intimate.  It has been good to hear freshness in albums that I have known intimately for years.  Though, you can never recapture that first thrill of new music - like the terror and awe of hearing This Is Hardcore (the single) for the first time, it seemed so alien to my teenage mind.

There could still be a chance of a deluxe CD of We Love Life, and I am still hopeful.  I agree with lots of the posters that mass market CD's are about dead now, and there is little financial incentive for major labels, but there are still some nice re-issues coming out which are niche but expensive (a re-issue of The Associates 'Sulk' came out this year; the Cherry Red stuff...though they may be wary of another Pulp release; bands own label releases like British Sea Power 'Decline...', and Ride 'Nowhere', ).  So, even if Island aren't interested, someone may be.  When W.L.L. came out interest in Pulp was waning, and I suppose Pulp's interest in Pulp was waning, but it feels like their status grows year by year.  Okay, I may be biased.

By the way, I'm a new poster here - I've been using the site as a resource for a couple of years (thanks to all contributors for all you've taught me about Pulp), but was too shy to post before now.  I was a late comer to Pulp, and didn't notice them until they were everywhere in 1995, yet already that is 21 years ago.  A lot of the music I listened to as a teenager seems so dull and trite now, but not Pulp, never Pulp.

saw119 wrote:

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inspirit wrote:

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I agree with lots of the posters that mass market CD's are about dead now, and there is little financial incentive for major labels, 

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 This gets bandied about a lot on quite a few forums I frequent and I'm never actually sure whether it's true or just people trying to convince themselves that it's true. I only mention it as I've seen a few things recently that go way over the top in terms of CD packages. I'm thinking firstly about those ridiculously deluxe The Verve boxsets that recently came out. It seems to me that the market for outrageous large boxsets must be stronger than ever. Simply look at Bob Dylan's forthcoming 36(!) disc boxset of 1966 live recordings. In fact just look at this website: http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/

Perhaps these deluxe sets are now a niche product? But surely if there was no money in them they wouldn't produce them? That's right isn't it?

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True for me if not others.  I believe CDs still outsell vinyl by quite a way, and most probably outsell downloads, but I only tend to buy CDs when they are less than a couple of quid on Amazon/at the charity shop.  Mainly old CDs that never got a vinyl release.    

I too like the sound of saw119's WLL.  But even a simple 2CD set in a basic jewel case with unreleased album session songs and a few live recordings from the period would be nice.  I expect everything is available to stream or download somewhere, but I stopped doing that years ago; I found I just stuck things in folders on flash drives, and forgot about them.  Physical releases are what work best for me.

CD's must be relatively cheap to produce, I guess the problem is that for major labels, these niche releases aren't worthwhile.  The deluxe releases are expensive, and have a high margin, but they need people with interest and passion to compile them - people working on small, specialist labels.  Vinyl releases are nice, but CD's are easier to use, and I've started to buy them again as second hand CD's are nice and cheap.  Back in the 90's new CD's were really expensive (£12-14 I think), and in the days before the minimum wage existed (and I subsisted on a miserably minimal wage) I couldn't afford them.  I started out with vinyl: I got all of Bowie's 70's albums for £2-3 apiece.  Different Class was only the second CD album I ever bought.  Now that vinyl is trendy again, new albums are often £20 or more, which puts me off.  Even the charity shop stuff has zoomed up in price.

As for WLL, maybe there is another problem?  Back when Pulp left Island, and went into hiatus, wasn't there something in the press about their contract?  I can't remember the details now, but I think the Pulp / Island contract had some kind of escalator in it, where the band royalty increased with each album.  For HnH and DC I guess they still had to pay a big chunk of their royalty to Fire, but surely they would be free of that by WLL.

I noticed that the TIH re-issue has Tomorrow Never DIES on side 4.  The sleeve and disc labels show LIES, but the track on the record is DIES (I think it's the same rough mix available on the deluxe CD).  I might make a note on Discogs - I wonder if the HMV early releases are the same as the general release (I'm a bit geeky about such things).

I didn't buy the Plain 2009 re-issue, which came out after the deluxe CD - does anybody know what's on there?

As for the end of physical releases, I'm not so sure.  Vinyl seemed to be dying in the early/mid nineties, yet here we are two decades on and it's still going.  I hear there is a fad for tape cassettes now; I think that will be short lived - as much as walkman's (or walkmen?) were exciting back in the 80's, the damn batteries never did last very long.  Look at how people keep using the old imperial measurements, in a few years everybody who learned that stuff in school will be dead, and we'll still be going on about feet and pounds.  There will probably always be enough stubborn hold outs to keep physical releases going.

For me, downloads just don't work.  I tried it from about 2005 for a couple of years, and I downloaded loads of stuff, that then just sat on a computer - I didn't listen to things until I burned them to CD.  Scanning through long lists of tracks leaves me cold, and I can't remember what I have, and thus spend loads of time organising things into folders.  Physical releases are evocative, I can shuffle about in my library, deciding what I want to listen to.

Further to the discussion about expensive deluxe issues, I see British Sea Power are seeking fan funding for a new album, and are offering a £40 special edition.  I'm a fan of BSP (after first seeing them supporting Pulp a couple of times in, er, 2001 was it?) but £40 seems a lot for an album, nice though it would be to support a band.  They are also offering an opportunity, perhaps a joke, to get lifetime entry to their gigs by paying £1500 for a tattoo (suggested location: your forehead).  And what if three months later, they develop creative differences?