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At a guess, Little Girl (With Blue Eyes) will be up there. Early contenders could be Disco Baby, Message To The Martians and Wishful Thinking - impossible to say for sure with such a lack of early setlists.



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When you think about it, it's probably most likely to be their material from the 1990s onwards i.e. Babies was played during the following eras:

Separations (if we go by the release date not the recording dates)
His n Hers
Different Class (+Mark)
This is Hardcore (-Russell)
We Love Life (+Richard)
Current (+Leo)

So 5 different lineups have played it.


So I'd say the His n Hers era songs that were played well before the album came out and are still being played now



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Listening to various different lineups of the Ramones play the various hits t'other day got me thinking...

Which Pulp songs have been played live by the biggest number of lineups?

I used to have a database to help me with this sort of thing, but it's elsewhere these days.

I'm thinking its probably going to be the very earliest songs, as that's when the lineups used to fluctuate more as opposed to the few lineup changes betwee, say 1990 and 1997 - i.e. as when Steve joined, Mark joined, Russell left.

 



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Yeah I'd reckon on Little Girl (With Blue Eyes) as well, especially now it's been played with Leo too.



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Yeah, we first have a recording of Little Girl from June 1984, which would be the Jarvis, Russell, Candida, Manners, Magnus lineup. Didn't they air it on the forest tour? Also remember them doing this with the pre-Mark lineup in '91...

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According to setlist.fm (granted a few sets are missing here and there)...

Little Girl has been played in the following eras: It (1984), Freaks (1986), Separations (1991), Different Class (1995), We Love Life (2001) and current (2012). Only His 'N' Hers/Hardcore missing from that!

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Hmm. I never thought about it like that. I just assumed it would be a popular oldie.



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Wasn't Little Girl ever played during the transition of Manners and Magnus to Nick and Steve? Must have been a few lineups then.

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PulpBristol wrote:

According to setlist.fm (granted a few sets are missing here and there)...

Little Girl has been played in the following eras: It (1984), Freaks (1986), Separations (1991), Different Class (1995), We Love Life (2001) and current (2012). Only His 'N' Hers/Hardcore missing from that!

 Sorry, but you could never call 1984 'It' era Pulp. After Russell joins in late '83 it seems to be a 'scorched earth' policy toward the older, and It, material. A better demarcation is pre and post Russell.



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Jarvgirl wrote:

Hmm. I never thought about it like that. I just assumed it would be a popular oldie.



I think it was dropped when they left in '86 and not played again till 91 or so.

How about Down by the River? Presumably that was played by:

Magnus Manners line up
Jarvis Russell Nick Havenhand Cap Sleep
- Cap Sleep + Candida
-Havenhand + Ant Genn
-Ant Genn + Steve

Whereas Little Girl was played by:

Initial Pulp 3 line up with Tim Allcard
-minus Allcard + Candida
+Nick and Steve
+Webber
-Russell
+Leo

Still in the lead!

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Jarvgirl wrote:

 

Hmm. I never thought about it like that. I just assumed it would be a popular oldie.


 


I think it was dropped when they left in '86 and not played again till 91 or so.

How about Down by the River? Presumably that was played by:

Magnus Manners line up
Jarvis Russell Nick Havenhand Cap Sleep
- Cap Sleep + Candida
-Havenhand + Ant Genn
-Ant Genn + Steve

Whereas Little Girl was played by:

Initial Pulp 3 line up with Tim Allcard
-minus Allcard + Candida
+Nick and Steve
+Webber
-Russell
+Leo

Still in the lead!

 hooray! Now you just need to add all the others up, shouldn't take you too long! ;0)



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Or! Something like Please Don't Worry or Wishful thinking might have been played by:

Jarv / Dolly /Philip Thompson / Jimmy Sellars
-Philip +Jamie Pinchbeck
-Jimmy +Wayne Furniss
+David Hinkler
-Dolly and Jamie +Simon Hinkler and Peter Boam
- Wayne +Tim Allcard and Michael Paramore
- Michael Paramore + Magnus

And that's not counting the endless variations on the 1983 band (almost a different line-up for every gig).

I'm guessing a bit at both ends, but we do know that those two songs had been around a while before the Peel session, and that the It band kept on playing them.

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What instruments did Captain Sleep and Candida play when in the same line-up? And was he ever tracked down?

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Just compare Leo with how long Mark had to wait to be acknowledged as a band member, and he was contributing to the writing of songs as well. Don't take my statement as any kind of dislike for Leo just how I see the band.



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I think the good Captain was a bass player while Candida played keys.

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I suppose this raises some questions about Pulp lineups. Do people follow that...?

1990: Jarvis, Russell, Candida, Nick, Steve
1995: Jarvis, Russell, Candida, Nick, Steve, Mark
1997: Jarvis, Candida, Nick, Steve, Mark
1997/8?: Jarvis, Candida, Nick, Steve, Mark, Richard
2010: Jarvis, Candida, Nick, Steve, Mark, Russell, Leo
2012: Jarvis, Candida, Nick, Steve, Mark, Leo

Or do people not consider Richard and/or Leo to be actual members? How about Jean Cook? Hmm...

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Pablo Cook, Anthony Genn, Yvette Lacey. Would they count as well? Not even sure which songs they played on at those Arena dates.

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Auxiliary members but Leo has the biggest claim since he's performed on every song since the reunion.

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Yeah I count Leo as a new proper band member and I count Richard as a bonus band member because he has played a lot now as well as back then. Also, you know, it's a bonus when he plays!



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If we had Pulp top trumps it would be much easier to decide these things....



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I don't count Leo as a band member because I knew of him and his work before he started playing with Pulp. He's a fairly famous producer including some of Brett Anderson's solo work and some important Brian Eno work. He's a bit of a jobbing session musician as well.

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Saw, Sheffield music folk might have used the same argument when that bassist from Trolley Dog Shag joined Pulp, or Nick Banks, or the geek from Siegfried's Magick Bocks...

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That's fair enough. If he had a credit for After You or any potential future recordings I guess he'd be fully-fledged then.

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Eamonn wrote:

What instruments did Captain Sleep and Candida play when in the same line-up? And was he ever tracked down?

They were never in the same line-up - by "-Cap Sleep +Candida" I mean a line-up where he left and she replaced him.


No, never tracked him down, and I tried!



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Ah, didn't notice your arithmetic signs.

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