i've had a stalker, not fun. thought i was going to have to get the police on him, but he eventually fucked off. he has been looking at my linked in profile though. i've blocked him on facebook.
and when i was about 12, me and a couple of mates used to hang outside the house of one of the good looking guys from school's house.. does that count?
-- Edited by weener on Friday 17th of August 2012 11:56:23 AM
I'm doing a bit of research on stalkers. Can anyone point me in the direction of a few decent articles? Have any of you ever been a (borderline I'm sure) stalker? Any first hand accounts would be epic.
Used to read this, back in the 90s. - http://www.scaredycatstalker.com/ Not exactly a weighty tome on the matter, probably not what you're looking for either. Still a good read though.
I went to high school with a girl who used to walk around our town looking for the car that belonged to the guy she liked and that's how she found out where he lived and she would just sit outside his house or call him and tell him she was nearby if he wanted to hang out with her (which of course he didn't). She was very strange.
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Funny, I'm in the middle of taking out an injunction against one, mega stressed about it so I come on here for a bit of light relief, and I see this thread! Waaaaah! It's no joke, stalkers live in a delusional state where they just can't accept the reality of a situation - ie you don't fucking want them!
I was at a gig in December (the band was Kids In Glass Houses and it was an "intimate" gig) and about 10 "fans" followed them into the Wetherspoons across the road from the venue to get pictures with them
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There's a line between getting pictures outside of a venue, and actually going in and interrupting the band having a meal!
I don't know, if that's asked gently and you're not too annoying, a picture never killed anyone. It literally takes 10 seconds and you please someone who actually make you live (and rich). It's not a lot to give that to ten people.
I know i wouldn't mind. Usually anyway, artist make their fans, i mean by that that fans will behave the way their fav artist behave. If they're acessible, then fans, for the most of them, will be respectful.
Here's a video i find quite stunning : Noel Gallagher walking in the streets of Peru, it last for about ten minutes. You can tell security is a bit panicked but Noel isn't
I think if you were really wildly famous it could get really old after a while to have your life constantly disrupted by fans asking for pictures or autographs. I think that's better suited to a concert setting. I don't think I'd have the nerve to approach a famous person outside of that setting. but then I barely had the nerve within the concert setting so what do I know
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That's the (old) question: as soon as you become famous, wildly famous, are you entitled to a completly private life ?
Most of the musicians, outside that specific setting (IE gigs, etc) are fine... I doubt Jarvis is being bothered all the time, i bet when he goes to the supermarket he's probably left alone. Those guys in that band followed by their fans in the restaurant are fine and left alone when they go to their local Tesco. but what about Elton John ?
Is it particulary fan stalking your writing about Fred? From what I've been reading this is one of the least common types of stalking, although it makes a more sensastional story. The majority of stalkers are 'ex intimates', who are also the most persistent and threatening. Hanging around to see your idols and asking for autographs at inappropriate times may be a little rude but not quite the same as stalking. Did you see the documentary that was on a few years back about Mike Read's stalker? Here's a little snippet I've copied from wiki if you're interested. Now she is nuts!
'Read had a stalker who had changed her name to Blue Tulip Rose Read and believed that she was married to him.
Rose was from Welwyn Garden City and her original name was Carol Ballard.[5]
Rose was featured in a film made by Jaine Green for Channel Four in 1996 entitled "I'm Your Number One Fan." The film was run as part of Channel Four's "Fame Factor" season, which examined the dark side of fame.[6] Rose was one of the most candid interviewees in the film. She was filmed as she travelled to the offices of Classic FM, and as she wrote "love letters" to Read.[7] The film states that Rose had been writing obscene and threatening letters to Read for many years.
In 2008 she appeared in the early rounds of Britain's Got Talent as Blue Tulip Rose Eidelweiss Warby. Her act, which featured her barking in tune to "The Phantom of the Opera" was not well received by the judges and she got 3 rejections.[8]
The UK TV series The League of Gentlemen made frequent reference to Rose in their first series by putting a quote from the documentary in the background of many episodes.[9]' '
It's mainly fan stalking yes - although about someone who forms obsessions easily. At the start of that article I thought you were talking about the bloke who played Frank Butcher in Eastenders 'cause I think he's called Mike Reid as well (not sure if they're spelt the same). I'll have to look on 4od and see of they have that doc in their archive.
I get the impression with fame that you get situations that vary along a spectrum from gratifying to plain weird to deeply creepy.
So hundreds of screaming fans crowding somewhere where you have an official engagement at whatever you do - gig/football match/film premiere etc must be hugely exciting and good for your ego. Then there are the extensions of that probably fall into the same category, so waiting age around a gig to spot a band arriving/leaving, a football training ground, whatever is still a pretty controlled and professional situation.
The video Andy posted off Noel Gallagher is getting into the weird category, but it still doesn't seem too threatening, just very surreal. I presume Noel being in Peru doesn't happen too often and is a big event for his fans there and even going out for a walk round the town in such a context is still a semi-public part of the tour, they must learn to expect it at least. It's one of those things we've all grown used to as a normal part of celebrity, yet if you think about it out of that context, it is very, very strange. If this happened to him everywhere he went in England that would be more disturbing. I remember hearing an interview with him where he said he was very perplexed by people who just spot him randomly in the street somewhere, rush up and ask for his autograph, then fumble in their pockets and produce a crumpled up receipt or some such thing to sign. His attitude seemed to be he was completely happy to oblige if it made them happy, but he found it rather weird. He'd ask them what on earth they were going to do with it afterwards.
When it gets creepy seems to be when it is in a more personal situation, like following someone home (anyone know a song about that?), in particular when it ends up being a one-on-one and regular situation. Though even with celebs homes, I've seen scenes of crowds seemingly permanently camped outside the likes of Paul McCartney's house in London in the 60s. Maybe that's why they all have to get mansions in the country. Remember the scrum outside Eric Cantona's modest semi after the kung fu kick thing. Must drive the neighbours mad as well if you live somewhere like that. And if it's all the time, it's going drive you mad too. I remember reading an interview with Jarvis once where he identified a point somewhere after the height of Pulp fame where "tube travel became possible again". This is an extract from Chloe Sevigny's wikipedia page:
In a 2009 interview, Sevigny reflected on her career, and said she was content with the level of stardom she had maintained: "When I was in my early 20s, I went out with a British pop star, Jarvis Cocker; of course, pop stars have much more celebrity, I think, than actors even. Theyre really hunted by their fans much more. I remember driving around these remote towns in Wales and kids running after us in the street. I was like, 'This is horrible!' And I saw the effect it had on him, and thats when I decided I never wanted to be a celebrity at that level, and I think thats why Ive chosen to do the work that I do and just kind of work with directors that I love and try and do work that means something to me."[72]
I suppose part of the creepiness of the persistent, personal stalker is you have no idea what's going on in their head to be behaving like that at all and what they might do. Are they just a sweet, over-devoted fan who has lost touch with their real life or are they a nutter like the one that shot John Lennon? Then you hear the sort of paparazzi tales bof some of the celebs at the Leveson enquiry and some of those were very frightening indeed, was it Charlotte Church or some other pretty young woman who had 10s of photographers chasing her, saying think about what is happening here, loads of men chasing a 21 year old woman down a dark alley. Paparazzi are basically professional stalkers in many ways.
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