So we've been hit with the revelation of the Coachella Cruise gigs following from what was supposed to be the end at Sheffield.
I know a few of us aren't pleased about this, and I'm more indifferent than anything, although if I did get tickets to something far away from here like the Sheff gig, I'd rather go to something with a bit of finality to make it a very special one, that with the added thing of Pulp doing the cruise, which is quite out of character for the band, and reeks of cashgrabbing commercialism.
I listened to the recent Nick interview on the radio earlier, and was quite sad to hear his blatant comment about money and how they are doing more gigs for the 'handsome pay' (I detest bands who make it blatant that they are in it for the money, even if they solely are, I prefer them not to mention it), as well as him dousing any hope of new material, when initially Nick was somewhat in the middle towards the reunion being a new era of Pulp music.
The reunion for me has been exciting and very well done so far, I hope the SS Coachella gigs are not the end, as it would be a very sour note for Pulp to end on. I'd have loved to hear new Pulp material, and really held out hope after recent comments from Jarvis, maybe it's making a big deal of nothing, but this is just my view.
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Holy shit that poster is indeed class. I can't take the joy away for people who are going on it just to see Pulp, but isn't it real expensive for tickets and everything? It's like Pulp playing for the posh.
Love that poster! Oh dear, I do feel sad about this. If they're not going to record any new material then Sheffield is the right place to end. And a cruise is my idea of hell...
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I don't think Sheffield was ever supposed to be the end. I'm just glad Pulp are still announcing gigs, a few more in the UK would be nice though. There's nothing wrong with honesty about making money, as long as they are enjoying themselves too. They really deserve the money and fame now after all the misery they went through in the 80s. I'd probably feel quite different if they were only playing Different Class sets over and over but they are at least coming up with some variation and surprises which keeps things interesting. New material would be a bonus if they are feeling creative but there's no point in recording an album just for the sake of it, I'd rather they revived old rarities like Nights Of Suburbia. There are still so many other directions they could go without new songs.
In the same way I don't really begrudge any band I love making money by any (legal) means necessary, I certainly don't begrudge Pulp a monstrous paycheck at the end of all of this. They've played some amazing gigs, given it a lot of passion, retained their dignity, and gone digging through their back catalogue to continually surprise us.
Blur made £1,000,000 each during their main reunion year. Why should we begrudge Pulp doing the same?
It's the same reason I can (just about) forgive Ash for 'Shining Light'. £1,000 left in the bank between them, and then they released their biggest hit, even if it was a bit naff. But heigh ho, they brought us pleasure, so who can begrudge them financial stability...?
I didn't mean it like that, the band deserve every penny, the gigs have been absolutely heart and soul from the band, and you can tell they've enjoyed it. As you say Stephen, there's a hell of a lot of passion gone in to it, and we've had many surprises, it is a reunion done right, hell, I'd have never seen the band if it wasn't for the reunion, let alone experienced the greatest gig I've seen so far.
It's the same reason I can (just about) forgive Ash for 'Shining Light'. £1,000 left in the bank between them, and then they released their biggest hit, even if it was a bit naff. But heigh ho, they brought us pleasure, so who can begrudge them financial stability...?
I didn't know that about Ash, only £1000?? No wonder Free All Angels was so poppy! Its still a great album though, including Shining Light....and even Candy :)
It's all fine by me. Sheffield's set is likely to be as special as it would have been if it was to be the last & the cruise, although sits at odds with the band's ethos as ambassadors for the working classes it does not so much for their track record of doing slightly unexpected things and performing in different & inventive venues. It's been muted here that a glasto 2013 appearance may be on the cards & I must say I wouldn't be suprised having seen this latest development. They must have a loose plan as to how much longer they can keep up playing the old material and I'm guessing we are nearer the end now than we are to the beginning.
In Nick's defence I think throughout the hiatus he was the one who'd have been happiest to regroup at any point. Remember him saying in an interview that it'd be all up to "His Nibbs" [Jarvis] & he'd be happy to do it. I think he's outwardly over the moon to be playing with the band again & is clearly loving the fat pay checks that come with it. It's all fair enough. Ticket prices (as far as I remember) have been pretty reasonable throughout the reunion. I'm sure they could have charged at least double for Sheffield Arena tickets. So they don't strike me as being greedy at the expense of the fans.
The only problem I really have with it all is it now feels like a gamble buying tickets for Pulp shows. You feel you must scrape together your hard earned cash in case it is to be the last one. Maybe a nice radio interview or something at this stage may help to clear some stuff up & remind us that they love us for our personality & not just for our money.
I'm still happy - I just hope they don't ruin what has so far been the best executed band reunion I have seen recently by out staying their welcome. If we really aren't to get any new material, I'd be happy for them to take a break and return every now & then to remind us all why the are the finest band in the entire history of fine bands.
How about Mark? I think it's harder to imagine his mindset, really. We know what Jarv and (to a lesser extent) Steve and (to a lesser extent) Nick have been up to since The Split, but Mark is very enigmatic. Does he still want to do even do music...?
I agree with a lot of that, especially that they could do to reveal a bit more about their plans. The mystery aspect was already getting tiresome for me before this recent development, mainly down to that NME "story".
Steve never stopped working with Jarvis did he? (well, discounting Relaxed Muscle) - If anyone can't be arsed to make a Pulp album it's not Jarvis and it's not Steve.
I would be happy if they carried on playing even if they didn't make new music so I suppose them annoncing more dates even after Sheffield is good - I'm sure no matter what, Sheffield will be a night to remember.
It is the fact that people who can afford the cruise are far from common that annoys me about the newly annonced set of concerts, and the whole notion of a headlining a music cruise does go against the pulp ethos (btw that poster is brilliant!). Still they are Pulp and so I can't be too irritated and they seem to put 200% into every concert so it seems that they do take fans into consideration (as well as money).
The main thing that annoys me is the strategic timing when annoncing gigs. It's like what weed said: they annonce one gig and hint it may be the last and then as when it's over they annonce another. I suppose it's not really that bad as I probably wouldn't have gone to all the pulp gigs that I have if I hadn't been worried it would be their last, and I have thoroughly enjoyed all their concerts.
Still I hope it's someone else telling them to do things that way rather than the band themselves because it does seem to me to be a bit... money-grabbing
Is this like when my friend at college thought pizza was spelled pitza even though he could spell everything else fine? That's really tickled me. It's like the policeman in Allo Allo.
Sorry, two posts weren't enough to get it out my system. I just re-read it. It's the fact it crops up four times makes it funny. Each funnier than the last. Ahhh....
And can you expand on the Ash story? They only had a grand left so purposely wrote a "hit" to save their careers or they thought it was a great song and released it anyway? I don't understand.
I think they are just announcing them as & when they are able to. I can well imagine the Sheffield show may have been planned to be announced after the ss coachella but a set back with the latter meant things happend vice versa. Most of the shows have been at festivals so I doubt they have that much influence in when line ups are announced - maybe a little if they are headlining they could have something written into their contract but on the whole I doubt they have been able to be so shrewd about things and they are just accepting or declining whatever comes their way as they go along.
Either way I wish they'd go and say that out loud to a music journalist somewhere. Preferably on 6musuc or something, if for anything at all the NME can't half heartedly cobble together some random quotes and present it as a real interview.
The one thing I can say they have achieved in their absence from the media is it has become more about the music than the personalities. However, one interview a year wouldn't kill them off & let's face it we do enjoy those personalities.