It's starting to feel like Pulp might tip over into 2013 the way 2012 is panning out. It started as a few shows in Spring and has now become European Summer Festivals again. Do people think it likely they'll finish it off at the end of Summer in England? Are they waiting for Russell to finish his TT84 project so he can rejoin for the last hurrah?
If I were them, I wouldn't bother getting Russell back. He isn't as involved as the others are, so why bother getting someone in there every ten shows like he is some magical special guest.
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This is the sound of someone losing the plot, making out that they are okay when they are not. You're gonna like it, but not a lot.
If I were them, I wouldn't bother getting Russell back. He isn't as involved as the others are, so why bother getting someone in there every ten shows like he is some magical special guest.
Richard Hawley guests, so why not Russell? He should come and go as he pleases.
It's starting to feel like Pulp might tip over into 2013 the way 2012 is panning out. It started as a few shows in Spring and has now become European Summer Festivals again. Do people think it likely they'll finish it off at the end of Summer in England? Are they waiting for Russell to finish his TT84 project so he can rejoin for the last hurrah?
I don't see a last hurrah. Auto was that back in 2002. Far more likely they'll just fade away. I wouldn't believe them if they say any future gig is the final one.
I'm beginning to feel a little more optimistic that my dream of a new album will come true. I really thought that was the very last when Pulp left the stage on the last night at Brixton, so the announcement of more dates this year hopefully doesn't herald an eternity of Pulp nostaligia shows. Although I can think of worse things, to me it will be a loss of credibilty to carry on milking the past any longer than this year, without creating something new.
If I were them, I wouldn't bother getting Russell back. He isn't as involved as the others are, so why bother getting someone in there every ten shows like he is some magical special guest.
Richard Hawley guests, so why not Russell? He should come and go as he pleases.
If Pulp wants to move forward, there must be more than just these nostalgia shows. Devotion is needed. You cannot record an album with one member being half-in the band. The realisation of these 2012 shows without Russell show, to me, the others in the band have the willingness to go on with the band even without Russell. If Russell would have said: "I'll be back in 2013", the others would have waited I guess.
Jarvis is a songwriter and he will record songs either with or without Pulp and it seems to me that taking this Pulp2011 thing to the next year that there will be more than just concerts. Perhaps not this year, maybe next.
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This is the sound of someone losing the plot, making out that they are okay when they are not. You're gonna like it, but not a lot.
I still find it hard to believe there would be another album and would have mixed feelings if there was. If it goes on into 2013 perhaps they will end up headlining Glastonbury as hinted at last year
You've all touched on some very interesting points. What confuses me is that these people are artists aren't they? They make their living from writing songs and music, surely it must be impossible not to write new material or have new ideas. It seems like a very frustrating lifestyle to simply play the same songs over an dover again lie they have been doing. The whole band looked pretty hungry at the NME awards I thought. Jarvis stated that he didn't want Pulp to become a 'Heritage Act', surely another 2 years of trawling these songs around and that's what they will become.
Indeed saw199. They have moved on from the HnH and DC periods and it doesn't seem to fit them from 1997 onwards. Even Jarvis' solo output have got more atmospheric touches of WLL or the louder parts of TIH. Certainly they must grow tired of these songs and it is not like that they didn't play them a lot back in the day.
But, money wise. All the members from Pulp, apart from Jarvis, have survived outside the music industry for 10 years after WLL and I don't think they had that much money to sit around for 10 years.
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This is the sound of someone losing the plot, making out that they are okay when they are not. You're gonna like it, but not a lot.
Remember Candida said a year ago, yes to more gigs, no to an album. I'm with her in that reformed bands that bring out new stuff don't usually come out with "classic" material. They may simply be enjoying working together, playing the old stuff, and getting paid a shit load for it!
I'm sure they will have a final gig though, perhaps like Auto, perhaps not, but surely in Sheffield. There must be a reason they haven't played there yet. In fact anywhere in the North would be nice!
Unless the live act begins to move away from the wall-to-wall hits that have characterised the reunion thus far (two lovely nights at Brixton aside), I think they'll be calling it a day before too long...
(in London at least, where fans in the market for hits alone have had plenty of opportunities to see them already)
-- Edited by superchob on Tuesday 6th of March 2012 09:14:08 PM
I'm sure they will have a final gig though, perhaps like Auto, perhaps not, but surely in Sheffield. There must be a reason they haven't played there yet. In fact anywhere in the North would be nice!
Well, you'd hope so wouldn't you, I know I definitely do, but why should they?
Because I'd like to think they would think it fitting if they have a plan to call the reunion to an end, and that they would think enough of their hometown and fans from there and around there to do so.
They've played in London more than anywhere since the reunion. It'd be nice for a band with strong ties to the North to play somewhere other than Leeds festival. And they ended their career last time in Rotherham, so why shouldn't they do something similar again?
I don't think they will finish playing, they're on a roll now. If a new album is on the way I hope Russell will at least be a guest on a couple of songs with his violin
They do seem to be enjoying themselves, presumably they wouldn't be bothering otherwise.
Does anyone here know how these things work, I am thinking particularly of the drip feed of new dates rather than one big tour or whatever kind of schedule being announced in one go? I can't imagine they really want to wind everyone up into gambling on going to shows miles away only to find one announced on their doorstep a week later. So I assume they are announced as they are booked? So maybe they have surprised themselves at how much they are enjoying it and are playing it by ear a bit.
As for new material of any kind, last year they obviously had their hands full with a pretty full on summer programme and just getting back to where they left off, but they've had all winter now to think a bit harder. And these days, it's not as if you have to produce complete albums, people release bits and bobs all over, maybe a one-off free new song on t'internet to put their toe in the water. Although they seem to be enjoying the live stuff now, they seemed worried sick before they started in that Lamacq interview last year, maybe the same goes for the idea of doing anything new. Whilst Candida put her foot down last year about no recording, maybe she will come round if everything is going better than they expected at that time. Surely their creative urge can only be supressed for so long??
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If Pulp wants to move forward, there must be more than just these nostalgia shows. Devotion is needed. You cannot record an album with one member being half-in the band. The realisation of these 2012 shows without Russell show, to me, the others in the band have the willingness to go on with the band even without Russell. If Russell would have said: "I'll be back in 2013", the others would have waited I guess.
Jarvis is a songwriter and he will record songs either with or without Pulp and it seems to me that taking this Pulp2011 thing to the next year that there will be more than just concerts. Perhaps not this year, maybe next.
I suspect the most likely scenario is Jarvis recording a third solo album, but continuing touring with Pulp. The problem with another Pulp album is that unless it is Different Class MkII, it will be widely ignored. Whereas a solo album doesn't have any baggage.
Pulp will continue in their current form for a good while yet. There are other comment regarding how London-centric the reunion has been so far, so I suspect a few dates around Albion are due.
They've played in London more than anywhere since the reunion. It'd be nice for a band with strong ties to the North to play somewhere other than Leeds festival. And they ended their career last time in Rotherham, so why shouldn't they do something similar again?
Arguably, they are a London band...
(cue massive disagreement)
What I mean by that is Pulp 1989-present was formed by the experience of London. Different Class is as valid a document of London as a Kinks, a Blur or even a Madness album. The Beatles are also more of a London band as well. And Oasis
All that said, a Pulp gig in the north is overdue. We have been spoiled down here with Hyde Park, Brixton and now the Albert Hall. My only fear is that the next Pulp gig in London will be the O2.
I think someone needs to take a trip to that pub in Leyland and ask the landlord for an update.
Say what now?
Remember that recent thread where a poster on here was drinking in a pub a few weeks back, got chatting to the owner who turned out to be from Sheffield and claimed that Pulp were recording new stuff.
They've played in London more than anywhere since the reunion. It'd be nice for a band with strong ties to the North to play somewhere other than Leeds festival. And they ended their career last time in Rotherham, so why shouldn't they do something similar again?
Arguably, they are a London band...
(cue massive disagreement)
What I mean by that is Pulp 1989-present was formed by the experience of London. Different Class is as valid a document of London as a Kinks, a Blur or even a Madness album. The Beatles are also more of a London band as well. And Oasis
All that said, a Pulp gig in the north is overdue. We have been spoiled down here with Hyde Park, Brixton and now the Albert Hall. My only fear is that the next Pulp gig in London will be the O2.
That was my point exactly when I suggested that they didn't need some massive send off in Sheffield. It would be nice but why would they do it?
That was my point exactly when I suggested that they didn't need some massive send off in Sheffield. It would be nice but why would they do it?
Down the years with a few exceptions (notably Glastonbury & Auto), the higher profile Pulp gigs have been in London, going right back to the Christmas shows at The Garage and Theatre Royal through to Finsbury Park and onto last year's dates at Brixton and Hyde Park. And now the Royal Albert Hall.
Unlike the Stone Roses who are indelibly linked with Manchester and for whom there was nowhere else they could have made their big comeback, Pulp are as much identified with London as Sheffield.
All that said, they should play a gig or two outside London.
Obviously there's a strong London connection but considering the band rehearsed last year in Sheffield, some of the band still live there and Jarvis spends a lot of time there, you can't say they're not bothered about the place!
Remember that recent thread where a poster on here was drinking in a pub a few weeks back, got chatting to the owner who turned out to be from Sheffield and claimed that Pulp were recording new stuff.
Rings a bell. Honestly my long-term (and short-term and medium-term) memory is shot to shit.
I wouldn't mind so much if I'd done drugs or something to cause it but I'm pretty square.
Obviously there's a strong London connection but considering the band rehearsed last year in Sheffield, some of the band still live there and Jarvis spends a lot of time there, you can't say they're not bothered about the place!
I think the whole rehearsing in Sheffield thing was due to Russell more than anything else. I don't think Jarvis spends that much time up here in Sheffield.
I think someone needs to take a trip to that pub in Leyland and ask the landlord for an update.
Say what now?
Remember that recent thread where a poster on here was drinking in a pub a few weeks back, got chatting to the owner who turned out to be from Sheffield and claimed that Pulp were recording new stuff.
Our memories were all forcibly wiped.
Don't speak of it, you don't know what horrors await you.
Is that the recent trixy/dixy thread (I get them mixed up), I remember seeing the deleted post and thinking I hadn't read it, but it does ring a bell now.
I know it wasn't worded how I said, and I can see people's points, but I'll be pretty annoyed and surprised if the UK part of the reunion amounted to loads of gigs in London and nothing bar one festival date up north. Just doesn't seem very Pulp to me. I was proved right about them returning to Glasto and I reckon I'll be right again!
I think they'll finish off this year of touring with a couple of big gigs, definitely including one in Yorkshire. This is what Jarvis said would happen in a Q&A last year- I think they've just taken the opportunity to play more festivals/tour America just because they could, cos they enjoyed last year so much. I don't think they're going to drag the reunion out past 2012.
We already know that Jarvis has been doing more recording by himself, due to that NME blog where the girl had played kazoo on a song. So I'm sure we'll get a third album at some point. There will never be another Pulp album.
