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dixie999


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SCENE MISSING



-- Edited by dixie999 on Friday 20th of January 2012 12:02:56 PM



-- Edited by dixie999 on Friday 20th of January 2012 12:03:21 PM

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Christ's chin!!!

Sturdy should be able to verify the fella's credentials from your description.
Whereabouts was the pub and most importantly, what were you doing boozing on a midweek afternoon? ;)
Good work dixie.



-- Edited by Eamonn on Friday 20th of January 2012 12:53:57 AM

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As wonderful as this is to read about - and it really does seem to be a step or two above the normal 'rumour mill' sort of stuff, I think we should be thinking about something else entirely atm...

...as great news is it is that  [scene edited], I think they would be absolutely gutted if the news broke. Consider the extent to which they've micromanaged the reunion thus far - only communicating by twitter feeds (and not even, to Russell's apparent chagrin, talking to fanzines) and everything has gone successfully and they've kept the air of mystique. It's been a wonderfully planned operation that has kept them interesting and stopped them from being just another heritage act doing the rounds.

I think that's why we should try and avoid anyone getting hold of this story - personally I would suggest editing the first post on here slightly to remove the [scene edited] reference. We know the rumour, but do we want it to really 'get out there'? Think how awful it would be for the NME or something to latch onto this and stick it out as a news article thus destroying the secrecy that  [scene edited]

These are just my thoughts, though. Feel free to disagree! I just think Pulp's secrecy should be respected with regards to such massive news as this...



-- Edited by Stephen on Friday 20th of January 2012 12:55:06 PM

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The pub is called The Roebuck in Leyland. Hahaha I was having a crafty pint en route home. He is mid to late 30s tall black hair, quite well spoken but that could just be the accent coming through in a new area - ive no reason to dispute what he said, he didnt say how he knew or whatever - but he just said " they are DEFINATELY making a new album". Ill put my hand up right away and if this info proves to be false, then im sorry for causing anyones distress - but for a random person / conversation to turn out like this did - it seemed too good not to tell folk.

And for someone thats not a huge pulp groupie to know about The Beat Is The Law, further backs this up - im gonna go in again next week.

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I don't specifically remember anyone fitting that description being at the launch, but then the pub was open to the public so it's possible.

Who are you Dixie? Have we met?

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Well of course they are. Every next of their move points towards it. (good news, if true)

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Stephen has a point. I would have to agree.



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dont you think mass music medias would know if Pulp was recording an album ? And there would be an embargo. I work in the press (not music) and that kinda embargo is very common...

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Andy,

Do remember that Pulp are at present without a record deal. And they, presumably, have quite a lot of money between them. Think of the financial rewards for financing such a project themselves (thus taking all the time they need) and then leasing the resultant product to a record label. Or releasing it themselves.

They would stand to gain a lot more financially and earn more with one such product than they would have earned off everything they'd previously released.

An example of how well this works is that the Zombies (who, pretty much alone of their contemporaries followed this path in the 60s) are one of the richest of the 60s bands despite not having produced the quantity of hits to rival a lot of their poorer contemporaries.

I could easily see Pulp doing this off their own back.

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whoa, what's happened?!? I have tuned in on 'scene missing'. If this is a bit of a secret, could someone please PM me telling me the story?

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Yes, I would also like to know what happened before SCENE MISSING.

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Me too!


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I copied the message for the people who missed it just before it was cut. /sad

I'll pm you three and then you can redistribute that yourselves if other people ask for it.

*Don't get too excited, it's the most interesting 'scoop' we've heard but who knows if it turns out to be true.

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Sorry, the PM function is crashing for me so only got to send it to Jazza. Maybe she can send it on to Mike who can post it to Violin Thing etc.


dixie and Trixy...any relation? The two best Pulp moles baritalia.activeboard has ever had!

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yeah dixie is magic, isnt he/she the one who shared the WLL demos ? I mean, we can trust the guy/girl. Roll on the SCENE MISSING (i love that :D), maybe in the spring ? that would make sense given Coachella announcement and the rest of the european tour to follow.

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Thanks - I'll try to send it on but my Bar Italia is being a bit faulty too - if the page loads at all it takes forever. The private message page has been opening for the past hour.
Anyway this is absolutely brilliant news! I really hope it's not just a rumour and it does sound like first hand information so fingers crossed

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Can someone PM me the info as well please?

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and me!


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Trixy is not Dixie.

Call me a killjoy, but my feeling on this is that, until there's an official statement to the contrary, there is no new Pulp material. The rest is speculation and tittle tattle.

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and me please ! I do not like secrets no



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This is exciting news but something bothers me: The Phantom Menace.

It worried me before the reunion too but all turned out for the best. A bullet wasn't so much dodged as world peace was declared and all guns were melted down. But the awful thing about The Phantom Menace is that it never goes away. Once Jar-Jar and that mop-headed muppet were brought into conciousness, there was no stopping them.

David Mitchell put it quite nicely in his column/radio show/TV appearance (he's even worse than Brian Cox, the tart). It went something like this. Star Wars fans longed to hear the back story of Anakin's demise. They wanted all the little references to 'the Clone Wars' and the 'Old Republic' to be fleshed out. When the prequels were announced everyone went crazy.

Something went wrong.

Ask a child if it wants more ice-cream and it will always say "yes". But then it will eat so much ice-cream that it'll be sick all over your jeans. That's because children don't know what's best for them. Star Wars brought out the child in me. And Pulp... Pulp do too.

So please, please ye Gods, if there is another Pulp album please fill it only with the best things.

Please don't fill it with 'Angelas' and 'Pilchards', because though I'll nod my head and tap my feet and sing "m-m-m-m-ma ma, m-m-m-m-ma ma" in all the right places, I'll be sad on the inside.

I'll probably become even more of a Pulp Dogmatist than I am now. I'd cover my disappointment by being the album's biggest advocate.

I'd carry two copies on me at all times so that I could give one away if someone doesn't happen to own it. I'd put each song on 'repeat' on the office stereo for days at a time, pointing out little nuances that I'll invent if I have to. I'd develop an annoying habit of speaking only in song titles. I'd only wear black silk shirts and skinny silver trousers. They won't suit me.

I'm still going to get excited and check back here daily. But guys, we're making a Faustian pact here. We'll get our shiny disc, but we must accept all that rides with it...



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Theres nothing to get excited about - just yet.......until something gets announced, its all hear say.......look at supergrass and their last album they got half way through recording secretly and it got shelved. And no - im not trixy - although I wouldnt mind trixies demo cds..... Candy's Sceptre is a dream to me lol

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Great news...and it backsup a snippet from an interview / article in NME a few weeks back where a female artist accidentaly let let leak.

That the band have made someone not in the band aware of this information could point towards them wanting it to be leaked in the form of online rumours (maybe it was deliberate?)

Thought I agree until something is official I believe we should respect the band and keep it to ourselves!

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If this is tru, then it's grat news. Who is in, who is out. What do we think?

I'd appreciated the PM on the original message.



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thomas - it was nothing major, just that something different rumour wise has come to light, and until anything is confirmed - nothing is confirmed!

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Isn't the third post ostensibly the same as the first? Im a little confused too..

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Why don't we all just listen to 'Out of the Blue' and pretend it's a 'new' or 'lost' Pulp album. Yeah sure it's different, but all Pulp albums are different. Until I hear otherwise, I'll listen to this.

Or Austalian Pulp... The Triffids... Ace...

Bit off topic but I'm hammered.


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You can be sure they wouldnt come back with a shit record. It's not that kinda band. they will take 6 years to record it if necessary but it will be good.

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one thing that bothers me, what about candida's arthritis? maybe a few dates here and there are alright (with lovely steriod shots) but an album???

not that i know how bad it is mind you

and superchob i'm with you. except i like pilchards!

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"That the band have made someone not in the band aware of this information could point towards them wanting it to be leaked in the form of online rumours (maybe it was deliberate?)"

I don't think anyone's that cunning.

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I think it would be easier to record whilst being arthritic than it is to play for two hours a night at gigs.

Also...I *like* Angela! And Pilchard!

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I know Candida was the one who really put her foot down in the Lamacq interview about no new recording, but that was before the first gig and they were all super-anxious about the whole thing still. I thought from the TV pictures at the end of the summer as they finished the Reading show that she looked really, genuinely happy, so maybe she would be up for more after all.

Aren't rumours and leaks the way things are done these days, are we not here for fevered speculation and tittle-tattle and working ourselves up into frenzies, they even call it social media to make it sound official, generate a groundswell of interest? Though my take on this snippet barcroft refers to:

"Great news...and it backsup a snippet from an interview / article in NME a few weeks back where a female artist accidentaly let let leak."

This was the lady with the kazoo, yes? I thought then that Jarvis is probably involved in all manner of bits and bobs that might involve recording studios, on the most high profile levels there's the vocals for Discodeine and BoysNoize/Erol Alkan but I imagine there's loads of bits and pieces here and there, he has his fingers in lots of pies. So I wouldn't necessarily take that to mean much.



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Also...I *like* Angela! And Pilchard!

 ... and they're like the two worst songs on the record. Jarvis gets too much shit for his solo records. They're good.



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Agree with you

(Christ I was drunk last night - apologies for the de-rail)

The first Jarvis record is up there with the best of Pulp IMO. The second is good with great moments Pilchards, Angela, Discosong, Further Complications & Fuckingsong being standouts.

Now back to the 'reunion'. My other favorite band on equal footing with Pulp are Smashing Pumpkins - There are lots of similarities such as, ever changing line up, both have a classic period, both classic lineup's hit a commercial slump in the late 90s (Hardcore = Adore / MACHINA = WLL). Mark leaving the stage quickly after the Auto show = James Iha doing the same at the 'last' Metro show...

So as a SP fan - you'd have thought I'd have learned something from this. But nope! I need some more Pulp - I think they'll be clever enough to not fuck it up and remember - WLL still has not got the recognition it deserves so it's not like they've got to compete with their last album (in terms of media).

Hope it's true.

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"Mark leaving the stage quickly after the Auto show" - not heard about this. What's it about? Was he rushing to sign on...?

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And i thought i was the only SP / Pulp fan on this planet :D I have big hopes for Oceania, but i really hate anything they've done between machina and teargarden. Billy can either be genius or completly shit. It's funny because my two fav records by both bands have flopped (Hardcore, Adore).

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Stephen wrote:

"Mark leaving the stage quickly after the Auto show" - not heard about this. What's it about? Was he rushing to sign on...?

 I was there and Mark left the stage before the gig was even finished. You can hear Jarvis refer to it at the end of the Auto bootleg when he's saying his goodbyes, he seemed a tiny bit bitter about it.



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"this is our forth glastonbury.....who knows, it be nice to do five..........."

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dixie999 wrote:

"this is our forth glastonbury.....who knows, it be nice to do five..........."

 No Glastonbury this year, next one 2013.



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"...thanks from Mark who surprisingly enough has already left the stage..."

He sounds none too happy. A bit different from the "come back Russell, you bastard!" joviality of Hyde Park.

I've not listened to Auto properly yet. I note I'm lacking 59 Lyndhurst Grove, though. Is it in an account anywhere...?

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andy wrote:

And i thought i was the only SP / Pulp fan on this planet :D I have big hopes for Oceania, but i really hate anything they've done between machina and teargarden. Billy can either be genius or completly shit. It's funny because my two fav records by both bands have flopped (Hardcore, Adore).

It's a wierd crossover f'sure, though if you look at Jarv/Bills solo attempts there really are similarities.

You know we're both going to get our fingers burned when it finally drops. However I listened to the 12 tracks from Teargarden on a train yesterday and I have to say it's all better than I had previously thought.



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Stephen wrote:

"...thanks from Mark who surprisingly enough has already left the stage..."

He sounds none too happy. A bit different from the "come back Russell, you bastard!" joviality of Hyde Park.

I've not listened to Auto properly yet. I note I'm lacking 59 Lyndhurst Grove, though. Is it in an account anywhere...?

 Yes, I put it in the 2007 account fairly recently. It's not perfect but it's the full song. 8th email down.



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superchob wrote:

This is exciting news but...

It's not really news though is it? Man on the internet says he's talked to man in pub who says he knows something. It's hearsay, nothing more. I don't want to piss on anyone's chips, and it would be lovely if they made another album, but the fact is that this is all entirely at odds with anything the band themselves have said officially. It all just seems a bit far-fetched to be getting excited about at this point.



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Stephen wrote:

"Mark leaving the stage quickly after the Auto show" - not heard about this. What's it about? Was he rushing to sign on...?

I was there and Mark left the stage before the gig was even finished. You can hear Jarvis refer to it at the end of the Auto bootleg when he's saying his goodbyes, he seemed a tiny bit bitter about it.

It wasn't before the gig was finished I don't think, it was just he left at the end of the final song and didn't hang around for all the showbiz "thankyou and goodnight!" stuff at the very end. I asked him about it a few months back and he didn't specifically remember it, but said something about how he never really saw the point in hanging around on stage once you'd finished playing. I don't think there was much more to read into it than that, other than the fact Jarvis apparently found it a bit annoying.



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Leaving the stage right away seems a bit rude to me. Ive done gigs and it's always nice to hang out on stage for a least a few seconds, get the applause wave goodbye and stuff. To me leaving like he did (apparently) would be like leaving before "the end" at a movie theatre.

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I would like a PM as well! -> Got it. Thanks!



-- Edited by Wickerman on Sunday 22nd of January 2012 05:57:31 AM

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It's the fact that it was their last show as well that maybe wrankled a bit. It's nice to say goodbye to your loyal fans who've spent several hours in a freezing cold former steelworks on the boundary between Sheffield & Rotherham in the middle of winter, and paid for the privelige! Although, I did end up being stood in front of Chris Morris while I was watching Jamie Liddell.

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I was at Uni in Leicester at the time and I was skint. I was offered a lift there (didn't have a ticket but thought I might be able to get one) and hedged my bets against it - One of my bbiggest regrets!

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Ah, I miss everything. Can I get a PM?

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Yeah, I'm not sure what the point of dixie deleting his post was, when the following one and subsequent chatter show fairly clearly what we're talking about.
The trixy/dixie thing was a joke, Andy's over-active mind filled in the gaps ;)
It's all speculation as Mark say, just a bit more to go on than previously. Dixie, did the fella volunteer the information without you talking about the possibility beforehand i.e did he seem fairly sure of himself?

Incidentially Mark, was your chat with Mark related to any possible future book update/revisions?



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Eamonn wrote:

The trixy/dixie thing was a joke, Andy's over-active mind filled in the gaps ;)

 1. Obviously smile 2. it's a curse really biggrin



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Can anyone PM me with the missed scene?

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I'm with Sturdy on this one. Until we hear anything official, there's no reason to get excited. And recording a new album would seem slightly out of character for the band, with regards to Jarvis' radio career/what all the other members are doing.

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I would like to get a pm too!

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wished I hadnt said anything now - its nothing to get worked up over, trust me - were still in the same boat.

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Hmm... I'd just like to point out that Jarvis has aged much more gracefully than Billy Corgan, plus SP reunion = Billy; Pulp reunion = Jarvis, Russell, Candida, Steve, Mark, Nick (even Richard briefly) - I'd have much more faith in Pulp delivering the goods on a new album. Not to badmouth SP, but Billy's just so bitter.. in interviews he was going on about Pavement for making fun of him 15 years ago!

My feelings are if Jarvis is going to continue making music, why not make it with the best musicians he has available? Still too soon to tell whats real or not...

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Would like to see this PM please as well if it can be done.There always hope anyway well see!



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Can a moderator close this thread down? I, for one would think it's for the best.

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Blur rumors by William Orbit got picked up by the NME. Beware !

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I think you lot are slightly overestimating the importance of this forum. Even the very worst music website (something like NME.com) would NEVER report rumours where someone on a minor music forum (with only about 20 active users) says they heard something from a man at a pub. There is no need to shut down this thread, it's just speculation!!

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I think you lot are slightly overestimating the importance of this forum. Even the very worst music website (something like NME.com) would NEVER report rumours where someone on a minor music forum (with only about 20 active users) says they heard something from a man at a pub. There is no need to shut down this thread, it's just speculation!!

 It's not that, it's more that people are thinking there's more to this thread than there actually is! People keep wanting pm's for what is essentially a piece of non-news and as such this thread keeps being extended unnecessarily.



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im going to be annoying and ask for a pm please. sorry!

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Will I just repost the original message? I think a mountain was made out of it and poor dixie probably won't post again.

All we have at the moment are a few Spring dates, which is exactly what Jarvis said they'd do before wrapping things up so it might be wise for everyone to hold fire.

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Eamonn wrote:

Will I just repost the original message? I think a mountain was made out of it and poor dixie probably won't post again.

All we have at the moment are a few Spring dates, which is exactly what Jarvis said they'd do before wrapping things up so it might be wise for everyone to hold fire.

I suppose it'd be for the best. All the info from the original post could be gleaned by reading all the subsiquent messages, and as many have said, there wasn't anything concrete anyway. And so many people seem sad at missing out... 



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Incidentally, the use of the word "echo" in the recent Pulp People email perhaps hints that we might be barking up the wrong tree... That this is a nostalgic recreation rather than Pulp-as-a-going-concern.

Too bad if that's the case, but if so, all the more reason to get out Stateside/Spain/wherever's next...

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So far all that has been confirmed for spring are festivals mostly in USA so could this 'batch' be repeating what we had last summer but in America? And after that (this summer?) a tour or new material or whatever

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There was a recent Pulp People email???  When?

Edit:  Never mind, found it in my junk folder (curses!).  Been mostly offline for 5 days and I come back to all this....so happy.  aww.gif



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calumlynn wrote:

I think you lot are slightly overestimating the importance of this forum. Even the very worst music website (something like NME.com) would NEVER report rumours where someone on a minor music forum (with only about 20 active users) says they heard something from a man at a pub. There is no need to shut down this thread, it's just speculation!!

 It's not that, it's more that people are thinking there's more to this thread than there actually is! People keep wanting pm's for what is essentially a piece of non-news and as such this thread keeps being extended unnecessarily.

the NME has many times reported fake news from various fan message boards, however small they were. So i wouldnt be surprised if they picked it up, unless they got some orders from Pulp camp, which i'm pretty sure happened...



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Eamonn wrote:

Will I just repost the original message? I think a mountain was made out of it and poor dixie probably won't post again.

All we have at the moment are a few Spring dates, which is exactly what Jarvis said they'd do before wrapping things up so it might be wise for everyone to hold fire.

Yes, do.  I don't see the point of a forum where people discuss a PM.

I think there will be a bit more than the spring dates.



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For the last time - there is nothing to get hopes up over - it was a pure speculative comment - its just a rumour, no different from what you have heard on here. Now can we cut the shit please?

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Is there something about names ending in ixie which makes people have panic attacks on here? Everyone should calm down, unsubstantiated rumour is all we have right now.
If the NME pick it up then that's their own stupid fault, they may as well make something up themselves. And if that's enough to put the band off recording then they're too sensitive to finish it in the first place.

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Hmm... I'd just like to point out that Jarvis has aged much more gracefully than Billy Corgan, plus SP reunion = Billy; Pulp reunion = Jarvis, Russell, Candida, Steve, Mark, Nick (even Richard briefly) - I'd have much more faith in Pulp delivering the goods on a new album. Not to badmouth SP, but Billy's just so bitter.. in interviews he was going on about Pavement for making fun of him 15 years ago!

My feelings are if Jarvis is going to continue making music, why not make it with the best musicians he has available? Still too soon to tell whats real or not...

 

No question I totally agree with you... btw http://forums.netphoria.org/ (4vhaterz)



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calumlynn wrote:

I think you lot are slightly overestimating the importance of this forum. Even the very worst music website (something like NME.com) would NEVER report rumours where someone on a minor music forum (with only about 20 active users) says they heard something from a man at a pub. There is no need to shut down this thread, it's just speculation!!

I agree, but my experience in administering another forum is that you can get called a knob by the tour manager and accused of selling stories to the tabloids just for letting people vent and express honestly held opinions.

I know a lot of people lurk, but I don't understand why journalists would use a forum as a source when they can simply just make up any story they want anyway.

Anyway, rumours of a UK gig in late April should be taken with a pinch of salt. A bloke called Nick told me about it at his pub smile  (joking, of course)

 



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I know a lot of people lurk, but I don't understand why journalists would use a forum as a source when they can simply just make up any story they want anyway.

 

 

Because there's a "source" to back the story. They cant make up stories, there has to be someone behind what they write. Of course, a fan message board source isnt too reliable, but the british press isnt too picky about that.



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all very interesting, but I'll hold any hopes, as I enjoy riding the wave of mystery that the band have weaved throughout the reunion too much!



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I think if it was a really popular/infamous message board, that would be a bit different, but I expect that very few people in the music press even know this board exists, or particularly care. The only band boards I've ever seen hit the news have been the Radiohead one when people were speculating about whether there'd be a "King of Limbs 2" (yawn), and the Morrissey board but only cause he releases statements to it/communicates via them. And those two message boards are probably the biggest band forums in the world, with hundreds of active users. The forum is pretty much on a par with the Felt forum really! But yeah, I still get the point, you have to be careful what you say.

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I also remember when Graham Coxon started posting all those weird statements on the official blur msg. board it was on the front of NME.com



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calumlynn wrote:

I think if it was a really popular/infamous message board, that would be a bit different, but I expect that very few people in the music press even know this board exists, or particularly care. 

 Oh they know. But you're right, they probably dont care enough to watch it regularly.

NME or The Sun often take their info from Oasis messageboards, big or small, for instance, so i wouldnt rule out info from here getting picked up.



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I was lucky enough to see the original post and I think that it should be restored. Dixie clearly detailed the conversation he had with this guy as opposed to just posting a message along the lines of "Someone in the know says that ### will be happening" and leaving it at that.

At the end of the day, forums are for fans to discuss things like this and I do not believe his message was spam or malicious so shouldn't have been censored, plus this board is unofficial meaning any messages posted should be treated as such. Steve has posted forum guidelines and I believe Dixie's original post was kept well within those guidelines.

I would re-hash it myself as a separate topic but cannot remember all the details.



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I think if it was a really popular/infamous message board,  The forum is pretty much on a par with the Felt forum really!

 Does Felt even have one? More Belle & Sebastian.  

And don't knock it, the site got credited in the reissues after all.



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Eamonn wrote:
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I think if it was a really popular/infamous message board,  The forum is pretty much on a par with the Felt forum really!

 Does Felt even have one? More Belle & Sebastian.  

And don't knock it, the site got credited in the reissues after all.

 http://felt-tribute.webs.com

At the bottom of the side panel is a link to a forum. It's a bit Ad heavy sadly.

Wow, I didn't know there was any Felt fans on BI!



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