Well, I'm beginning to think that the 'Love of Being in Pulp Again' is winning out over 'It'd Be Nice To Have A Bit of Cash' aspect of the reformation. I can't imagine playing the States is too financially viable, so it'd be nice to assume for doing it for the love of doing it.
Yeah the festivals were clearly for the money, but probably because they had plans in mind, so that's a good thing. I hope for every us and canadian fans that they will tour extensively there, and then Europe and then maybe, hopefully, a new record.
I saw Jarvis play the Fillmore in SF a couple days after playing coachella in '07. I looking at their schedule and the 17th is vacant right now so maybe they would play there? After playing SF he came up here to Seattle and played two days later. Hopefully they'll play both cities again.
The Fillmore updated the dates and M83 are playing two nights there back to back... that'd be very cool if Pulp did! With all these Coachella bands playing west coast tour dates of their own, I hope none of the tickets I bought already overlap with Pulp's dates.
-- Edited by beetlebum7 on Saturday 21st of January 2012 11:02:45 PM
I noticed that band M83 is playing the Fillmore on the 22nd. Are they more popular here in America then Pulp? I've never heard of them. But I think they are one of the upper billed Coachella bands along with pulp. But wherever they play it will be amazing i'm sure I hope they do announce something monday so I can book everything to go. The anxiety is killing me. Been waiting since around '94 to see them live!
M83 are what passes for 'fairly huge' in indie circles these days. Pitchfork song of the year and all that. They would be fairly OK if the singer hadn't had his voice mixed to sound like late 80s Sting.
Before The Dawn Heals Us by M83 is a fantastic album, one of my all time favourites. Some the newer stuff is pretty terrible though. that might mainly be because of the vocals.
I can hardly complain having been in the front row for 2 out of 3 concerts. I agree if you see them, you really have to be standing! I was lucky finding a ticket for the second night at Brixton at all, and it was still brilliant but nothing can compare to the 31st when I was standing.
*edit: If this is possible. If not, and I'm sure Sarah will agree with me, Pulp is still Pulp and they were still bloody marvellous from where we were sitting
-- Edited by Jazza on Monday 23rd of January 2012 10:56:21 PM
Bort, looks like you were right. I thought the Warfield is where I saw Good Bad Queen play but I don't think it is. Would a floor ticket be the best place you think?
Do you really think it will sell out that fast? I noticed that not many of the shows there are sold out. Now i'm worried. Judging by the tweets could it have been 30 min. not 30 seconds? I was looking how these Tickets to Refused are on stubhub for allot of money already. I hope I don't have to resort to that, I think that's lame.
-- Edited by beetlebum7 on Tuesday 24th of January 2012 02:30:12 AM
-- Edited by beetlebum7 on Tuesday 24th of January 2012 02:37:19 AM
But Bort, surely you want to be in the best place possible, to be as close to the band as possible to see all the little, tiny, stupid details that make a gig so special? You've been crying out for them to visit you...I thought you'd queue all night for the best spot!
At Brixton we turned up at 11 or 12 in the morning each day...but my God was it worth it...! We even flogged our seated tickets and paid a small fortune on top of that to get standing for the second night. Had it not happened, Jarvis wouldn't have held my hand whilst singing Sheffield: Sex City.
Seriously, sod the balcony and bloody well Get In There!!
Had it not happened, Jarvis wouldn't have held my hand whilst singing Sheffield: Sex City.
Ha, I could see that from the balcony and was completely gutted since it was exactly where I was standing the night before! (The audience weren't very good at saying 'I'm here' were they?)
That's a good point Bort. I'm 6'4" so i'm sure i'll be able to see from anywhere on the floor. Though even w/ a seat all it takes is one person to stand up then everyone ends up needing to stand up so they can see better anyways... ah the dilema.
You can't sit for Pulp! They're one of the most exciting live bands out there! Seriously...get in the crowd and just enjoy yourself! It's not about observing, it's the taking part! If you're gonna sit there, you might as well be watching 'The Park is Mine' at home.
I had to have a seated ticket for Blur many moons ago. Can barely remember the gig as a result. I'd seen them the month before at a festival and got a little bruised in the crowd, but I know which was the more memorable gig.
Jazza, sorry to hear you were stuck up there! We just considered that, y'know, we'd paid to go to London, paid for accomodation, and we thought we'd always regret it if 'something amazing' happening and we were stuck in the seats.
I was several rows back at Hyde Park, which I think contributes to it being by far the least enjoyable of the four 2011 Pulp gigs I saw.
Oi, some of us can't afford to stand in the pit you know. I didn't get paid until the Friday the tickets came out, and by that time all the standing tickets were gone.
But Bort, surely you want to be in the best place possible, to be as close to the band as possible to see all the little, tiny, stupid details that make a gig so special? You've been crying out for them to visit you...I thought you'd queue all night for the best spot!
At Brixton we turned up at 11 or 12 in the morning each day...but my God was it worth it...! We even flogged our seated tickets and paid a small fortune on top of that to get standing for the second night. Had it not happened, Jarvis wouldn't have held my hand whilst singing Sheffield: Sex City.
Seriously, sod the balcony and bloody well Get In There!!
Yeah, I'll be aiming for floor on Friday. Hope I actually get through because the Refused show at the same venue sold out in under 30 seconds.
definitely will sell out quick...Bay Area people are good at selling out "reunions". I remember the first time Bauhaus reunited and played The Warfield, the show sold out quick...and Bjork in 1998 back when people are still lining up early to their tickets.com outlets...that one sold out in seconds....not to mention the well informed scalpers that will most likely get tickets.....
That's so ridiculous. Radiohead now have E-verify where you have to bring the card you bought the tickets with and a driver's license. There's really no reason why these bigger venues can't all do this.
Bort i'm sorry you didn't get one... Stubhub obviously will have a ton. All 3 of my laptop got offers and the best w/ lower balcony sec. 5 row J... the other two got sec. 7 and upper balcony somewhere. I may break down and buy a floor ticket from stub hub next week. If I do I'll sell you mine at cost if you're still looking.
-- Edited by beetlebum7 on Friday 27th of January 2012 06:20:43 PM
I am not surprised if these shows sold out in minutes, or even seconds.
Pulp have an under-served fanbase in America and I think most American fans discovered the band via mp3/ file sharing, a half decade after Pulp's last American show.
-- Edited by Fuss Free on Friday 27th of January 2012 07:10:20 PM
This does seem to be the case, doesn't it? I'm always shocked at how many younger people love Pulp, especially in the U.S. (don't know if I would agree that "most" of their American fans are new, though). I'm very excited to have snagged 3 floor tickets for the SF show; that waiting room system was extremely nerve-wracking!
I'm not saying that Pulp's American fanbase is necessarily young, just that most of them (young and old) discovered the band after mp3 made Pulp more accessible.
There was no easy way to learn about Pulp in America before the internet. Pulp weren't played on the radio. American music magazines didn't write about them, and the average record store didn't stock their CDs. Even if a store did stock a copy of Different Class, they'd charge double the average CD price for it. There's a great chapter in Louis Weiner's book about how Sleeper had to whore themselves out to the American radio stations for airplay and the stations still didn't bother to play them. I'm sure Pulp probably went through the same thing.
A lot of artists think that file-sharing is theft, but it did introduce a lot of people to new music they never would have heard otherwise. The internet gave Pulp a lot more exposure, even if Pulp didn't profit directly from it.
The hipsters will always insist they were fans from the start, but most of them weren't.
-- Edited by Fuss Free on Saturday 28th of January 2012 08:32:29 AM
both my S.O. and i looked for tickets and he got 2 GA to come up but didn't buy them, and i looked for 1 GA. i bought the 1 GA in the event i decide to travel. (i live in NYC)
I am not surprised if these shows sold out in minutes, or even seconds.
Pulp have an under-served fanbase in America and I think most American fans discovered the band via mp3/ file sharing, a half decade after Pulp's last American show.
-- Edited by Fuss Free on Friday 27th of January 2012 07:10:20 PM
This does seem to be the case, doesn't it? I'm always shocked at how many younger people love Pulp, especially in the U.S. (don't know if I would agree that "most" of their American fans are new, though). I'm very excited to have snagged 3 floor tickets for the SF show; that waiting room system was extremely nerve-wracking!
Bort i'm sorry you didn't get one... Stubhub obviously will have a ton. All 3 of my laptop got offers and the best w/ lower balcony sec. 5 row J... the other two got sec. 7 and upper balcony somewhere. I may break down and buy a floor ticket from stub hub next week. If I do I'll sell you mine at cost if you're still looking.
-- Edited by beetlebum7 on Friday 27th of January 2012 06:20:43 PM
I know I never would have known about Pulp without the internet. Same with most of my friends who know them. And I may have gotten all their albums initially from friends or torrents but the amount of money I've spent on them since then has more than made up for that.
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Fuss Free wrote:I'm not saying that Pulp's American fanbase is necessarily young, just that most of them (young and old) discovered the band after mp3 made Pulp more accessible.
There was no easy way to learn about Pulp in America before the internet. Pulp weren't played on the radio. American music magazines didn't write about them, and the average record store didn't stock their CDs. Even if a store did stock a copy of Different Class, they'd charge double the average CD price for it. There's a great chapter in Louis Weiner's book about how Sleeper had to whore themselves out to the American radio stations for airplay and the stations still didn't bother to play them. I'm sure Pulp probably went through the same thing.
A lot of artists think that file-sharing is theft, but it did introduce a lot of people to new music they never would have heard otherwise. The internet gave Pulp a lot more exposure, even if Pulp didn't profit directly from it.
The hipsters will always insist they were fans from the start, but most of them weren't.
-- Edited by Fuss Free on Saturday 28th of January 2012 08:32:29 AM
I agree that file-sharing can be helpful for introducing new music to a lot more people these days (even if it is stealing), but I'm still not sure about "most" Americans discovering Pulp that way. It was a small community back when Pulp toured the U.S. in the 90s, but it was a very dedicated fanbase--the type of fans who bought every single and album of their favorite bands, and would still pay to see those bands 16 years later (hopefully with more disposable income this time around). And we did have the internet back then, I met a lot of other fans around the country that way. Maybe it's an unfair comparison, since I grew up in L.A., but I heard a lot of new music on the radio (including Pulp singles before release, and Sleeper), watched the new videos on public access TV, and rarely had any trouble finding the magazines, CDs and records in stores (albeit at "import" prices). It wasn't easy, and it was pretty expensive for a high school kid. The point is, there were enough of us at the time that it was worth it for all of the British bands to tour the U.S., and for Pulp to come here twice.
I think it might appear that the "newer" (such a long time to be considered new, I just mean relative to the "older") fans outnumber us, only because they are more vocal online. ALL Pulp fans are great no matter when they discovered the band (except maybe that guy who broke Stephen's rib at Brixton), I'm just quibbling with your word choice to be difficult.
Personally, after Pulp were announced for Reading 2011, I went and checked out the hits collection and Different Class through file sharing. Then I went out and bought Different Class, His N Hers and This Is Hardcore and fell in love
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I lived in Okinawa, Japan ... during the britpop explosion... MTV Japan showed videos all day unlike the American one at the time. My brother got into blur and pulp this way, and then I discovered them through him. Had we lived in the states I doubt that I would have heard of them. The downside was I didn't live anywhere near where they toured in '96 or '98... but this makes up for it now.
can no longer make it to SF so I'm selling my 2 lower balcony, row C tickets (two seats together) $145 for both...that's face plus shipping. You must be able to paypal or a check is good, too. PM me!
Setlist: Do You Remember the First Time? O.U. Razzmatazz Something Changed Disco 2000 Sorted Acrylic Afternoons Pencil Skirt Like a Friend Babies Underwear This is Hardcore Sunrise Bar Italia Common People ENCORE 1: Glory Days (!) Party Hard (much better this time than in NY) Mis-Shapes ENCORE 2: MY LIGHTHOUSE
It was incredible, I feel like I'm vibrating right now...
I almost forgot, Will, he mentioned PulpWiki before they played My Lighthouse, said he was browsing it earlier today, and said something about the reissue of the album
Stephen wrote:Btw, have just got 'round to adding the earliest known of performance of My Lighthouse following the recent airings - Crucible Theatre, Sheffield '83!
I'm sure Wayne Furniss once mentioned it was played at the Crucible in Oct '82, and I'd guess it would have been a regular part of the set at the concerts thereafter, no?
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OU sounded great. The violin part was a little different, but her performance was impressive. Not many people seemed to know the song (someone asked me what it was after they played it), but honestly I was going a little nuts so I didn't get a great read on the crowd during the song. All Jarvis said about PulpWiki was that he was reading about the reissue of It on the site, and that the record was released 28 years ago (29?). Hopefully a bootleg turns up of this show soon.
I hadn't seen a reference from Wayne saying that, unless there's one in your book that's not been picked up on yet? It was just a message I had from Paul Mills who, having enjoyed the clip of My Lighthouse at Brixton, stated that he'd seen it at the Crucible on that date.
Here's a WARFIELD FACT for you people who were lucky enough to go. I looked at the setlist and thought "My word! That seems a lot different to the one they did the other night" so I wrote and ran a little code through the spreadsheet where I've been noting down the setlists Pulp have been playing since their revival.
The % figure at the end is the % of songs played at that show that were played at the previous show. So something like Glastonbury is very low due to the fact that Isle of Wight was a Big! Hits! Festival, whereas Glastonbury had a lot of rarely played tunes. Likewise the Brixton gigs are low...but this Warfield gig is the lowest of them all. So yeah, count yourselves lucky.
And now I'll go back to my GEEK SHELL.
Primavera Sound Festival, Barcelona 93% Isle of Wight Festival 100% Glastonbury Festival 57% Open'er Festival, Poland 60% Wireless, London 100% Exit, Serbia 100% Bazant Pohoda, Slovakia 91% T in the Park 92% Festival des Vieilles Charrues, Carhaix, Brittany, France 100% Dour Festival, Dour, Belgium 71% Melt! Festival, Ferropolis, Gräfenhainichen, Germany 93% Bright Side 2011, Perth, Australia 92% Hordern Pavillion, Sydney, Australia 63% Festival Hall, Melbourne, Australia 89% Splendour in the Grass, Woodford, Queensland, Australia 100% Sziget Festival, Budapest, Hungary 67% Øya Festival, Middelalderparken, Oslo, Norway 67% Way Out West, Slottsskogen park, Gothenburg, Sweden 85% Festival Paredes De Coura, Praia do Tabuão, Paredes de Coura, Portugal 77% Terra Vibe Park, Malakasa, Athens, Greece 56% Reading Festival 93% Leeds Festival 87% Brixton Academy 61% Brixton Academy 70% Electric Picnic 86% Royal Albert Hall 75% Radio City Music Hall, New York, USA 72% Radio City Music Hall, New York, USA 89% Coachella, Indio, California, USA 90% Warfield, San Francisco, USA 42%
I can't believe all they played was hits in NYC and then they played ou and my lighthouse in sf!! Happy for the people that got to see it but also a little bit pissed off too!
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Is San Francisco generally judged to be a 'cooler and more Pulp-aware' place than New York then? I'm not being facetious or anything, I genuinely don't have a clue.
I think San Francisco is West Coast, but I'm not even sure about that for starters...!
Wow...what a set-list. Acrylic, OU, Glory Days and My Lighthouse! Delighted for you Twiggy, your dedication to attending all these shows, particularly now without Russell, deserved something like this as I know you were eager for more HnH stuff.
It's nice that Jarvis mentioned PulpWiki. I guess he looked at the 'On this day' listing on the front page. 'It' was indeed released 29 years ago today.
thats a great setlist. Of the 4 shows I saw last year I realllllly realllly wanted to heard Acrylic Afternoons...but didnt. BUT not too worry. and OU, f**k me.
yes its a little give and take....I got to see Pencil Skirt.... why dont they just play My Legendary Girlfriend and get it over and done with! wishful thinking...they did soundcheck it in 2002 didnt they so its not like its been completely banished....
What a great show last night. I almost didn't apply for a photopass because I wondered how it could possibly live up to their last SF show at Bimbos in 96. So glad I decided to go and cover it.
It's nice that Jarvis mentioned PulpWiki. I guess he looked at the 'On this day' listing on the front page. 'It' was indeed released 29 years ago today.
Yeah, and we all know how much Jarvis loves ''on this day'' commemorations! He didn't happen to sign the We Love Life Deluxe petition while he was browsing by any chance, did he?!
By the way, is this the first time Glory Days has ever been played without being ''Glory People'' (i.e. segueing into Common People)? I don't think it's been played since the TIH tour.
Glory Days apparently played 'solo'...erm...never! It was first played on 9th June '98 in Boston and last played 5/12/98 in Bournemouth. It was played a recorded 31 times during those 48 gigs (some gigs are lacking setlists, so don't take a percentage off that! Certainly every time Common People was played, Glory Days was before it though, which makes it likely it made an appearance at every one of those gigs).
I don't think San Francisco is thought be "cooler" than New York, but I was thinking they might have played this set because this show sold out so quickly (was it 8 minutes?). There were a lot of L.A. people at the San Francisco show as well, since they didn't announce the Pomona show until well after the SF show had sold out. Keeping my fingers crossed for an equally great set list on Thursday (Countdown and Pink Glove please...and Stacks...and The Boss). That show sold out ridiculously fast as well.
Stephen, your set list analysis made me happy, as I'm fond of men in geek shells . What's the order if the sets are ranked according to rarest songs played overall (instead of in relation to the previous show)? Why did you not include the Le Bikini show?
cutcopy, "Acrylic Afternoons" was on my wish list as well, but mostly for Russell's performance, so that song actually made me a little bit sad. Jarvis was great, but he didn't go as wild as he did on the Bikini bootleg, which always drives me crazy (which is probably a good thing since my husband was not with me, ha).
It'd be nice to think that Pulp are aware of how quickly a gig sells out and create the setlist accordingly. Might explain why the Brixton gigs were so good, then!
Rarest songs...I might get onto his tomorrow! Le Bikini wasn't included as it was the first gig in nine years, thus not really fair to compare it to the 'previous' show!
It's nice that Jarvis mentioned PulpWiki. I guess he looked at the 'On this day' listing on the front page. 'It' was indeed released 29 years ago today.
There's a bit more of the Pulpwiki bit in this article:
OK then, at the request of Tricia, here's a list of the reformation Pulp gigs by order of rarity. If a song was played at every one of the 31 reformation gigs, it gets 0 points. If played at 30 gigs, it gets 1 point, etc. This goes right down to things like His 'n' Hers, Glory Days etc. getting 30 points.
Thus the gig with the largest number of points should, be default, contain the 'rarest' songs!
Brixton Academy Night 2 283 Warfield, San Francisco, USA 223 Brixton Academy Night 1 211 Toulouse Le Bikini 205 Festival Hall, Melbourne, Australia 189 Hordern Pavillion, Sydney, Australia 184 Terra Vibe Park, Malakasa, Athens, Greece 166 Radio City Music Hall, New York, USA 156 Radio City Music Hall, New York, USA 153 Royal Albert Hall 148 Øya Festival, Middelalderparken, Oslo, Norway 129 Glastonbury Festival 125 Festival Paredes De Coura, Praia do Tabuão, Paredes de Coura, Portugal 105 Sziget Festival, Budapest, Hungary 104 "Melt! Festival, Ferropolis, Gräfenhainichen, Germany" 103 Primavera Sound Festival, Barcelona 94 Open'er Festival, Poland 93 Wireless, London 93 Leeds Festival 90 Reading Festival 89 Way Out West, Slottsskogen park, Gothenburg, Sweden 81 "Dour Festival, Dour, Belgium" 77 Electric Picnic 76 Exit, Serbia 64 Isle of Wight Festival 48 T in the Park 48 Festival des Vieilles Charrues, Carhaix, Brittany, France 48 Coachella, Indio, California, USA 45 Bazant Pohoda, Slovakia 42 Bright Side 2011, Perth, Australia 34 Splendour in the Grass, Woodford, Queensland, Australia 24
I've got them all on a spreadsheet if anyone knows how to upload such nonsense anywhere.
Would likewise love to see His 'n' Hers. Out of the 37 songs they've been playing since their comeback, I've managed to only miss seeing that, Glory Days, Help the Aged and Pencil Skirt (although it's been played 12 times!) I can live without Help the Aged, but would love to have seen HnH or Pencil Skirt...
Will, when did Darren Spooner sign? "The band seems good.. release may be beneficial" is a very Jarvis comment...
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It is a very Jarvis comment and I did wonder. But having looked at the details, I'm certain it's not him, unfortunately. The IP address used belongs to a UK ISP.
I've got them all on a spreadsheet if anyone knows how to upload such nonsense anywhere.
Google Docs?
Endorsement for Google Docs seconded. There are 2 "public" options with the "Share" button, or you can publish the spreadsheet to the web (under "File") and just copy/paste the code here.
I used to think Jarvis' voice had improved dramatically since recording It, having just watched the lighthouse vid... Has he just learned to write songs that suit his voice better?