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Hello Bar Italia people.

I've just started a new project - http://pulpsongs.wordpress.com/

The idea is that I'm going to write about every Pulp song, in order. It's not a completely original idea, but I'm hoping to do it as comprehensively (and, I hope, interestingly) as possible. Right now it's very much in its infancy, of course. I've just posted the first entry, but I'm hoping to keep it going with an entry every Saturday until I get to Last Day Of The Miners Strike - or maybe there will be new material to write about by then, who knows?

So, take a look, add it to your Google Reader (or whatever you use) and please feel free to say what you think about each track in the comments.

The first entry is here - http://pulpsongs.wordpress.com/2012/01/07/1-shakespeare-rock-2-life-is-a-circle/

(Oh, by the way, if anyone wants to design me a better header or background, or has any useful information about pre 'It' songs, please do share!)



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Looks great, both style and content.

I rather enjoyed Mike's blog review of Pulp songs until he got lazy and gave-up!

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Good stuff!

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Nice plan! I'll watch it unfold with intrest.

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What is wrong with me then? I like 'shakespeare rock' Hahahhahahhahahaa :)

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Nice idea and well executed.

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Very nice site, and great detail... look forward to checking back.

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Thanks for the kind words, everyone, I'll keep at it.
Is Mike around, BTW? I only found his site a week ago, had thought I was the first. Oh well, slightly different thing.

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Updated! - http://pulpsongs.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/3-to-8-arabicus-pulp/

These early years are not great to write about, being unable to hear the actual songs and all that. Only a couple of weeks to "What Do You Say?" though.

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I'm still here!

I do feel bad that I got distracted or busy or whatever and gave up on my Pulp blog. I still get compliments for it both here and on last.fm. Thank you all.

For those of you who weren't on the board when it was active, here's the URL: http://musicfromabachelorsden.blogspot.com/

Looking forward to checking out your blog, weej. I think it's cool that you're doing unreleased songs, which I had decided not to include.

Random question, though: Should I try and finish my blog?

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YES. I would do it but I can't write (see previous posts for proof...)

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Yeah, Mike. I had thought that if I was to write a book on Pulp it would be based on a review of all of their songs. But between your blog and Jarvis' own book (and now weej(ouija board?)) it seems to be covered very well or rather would be if you finished the blog.

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certainly, I always enjoyed your blog and regularly re-read it. especially the b-side and other rare stuff.

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Yeah, why not go for it? You seem to be most of the way there already.

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We're finished with prehistory! http://pulpsongs.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/9-to-12-pulp-mk-1/
Next week on to ancient history.



-- Edited by weej on Saturday 21st of January 2012 01:48:39 PM

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OK, I'm going for it! Music From a Bachelor's Den will be re-open for business soon!

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I Scrubbed The Crabs That Killed Sheffield

Enjoy! I had to upload the first part of 'The Pulp Story' to Youtube for this. Shall I put the rest of it up, or is there no need?



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weej wrote:

Enjoy! I had to upload the first part of 'The Pulp Story' to Youtube for this. Shall I put the rest of it up, or is there no need?


It's a good listen so that gets a thumbs up from me. Oh, and it was broadcast in 1998, not 1997.

I must say your posts have been an interesting read so far, and I've heard "I Scrubbed the Crabs That Killed Sheffield" in full once but that was years ago and sadly I can't remember much about it. Keep up the good work biggrin



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All I can remember is that it's a two minute or so punky number with a chorus that goes "Wo-ho-ho, I scrubbed, I scrubbed the, I scrubbed the crabs that killed Sheffield", he screams as well in the middle. That's about all I can remember though.

This might be of assistance further down the line - I've also heard "How Could You Leave Me?" and it's a jazz song; pretty chilled out and slower than the rest of the band's early 1980s output that I've heard. Unfortunately, I cannot remember any of the lyrics.

Surely one day these things will surface!!



-- Edited by Ian on Saturday 28th of January 2012 01:56:27 PM

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'I scrubbed the crabs that killed Sheffield' is already on the 2007 account

(It was not me who put it on, but thankyou to whoever did)





-- Edited by Jazza on Saturday 28th of January 2012 06:09:26 PM

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If anyone's heard 'I Scrubbed The Crabs' and can remember anything about it, then please feel free to leave comments about it on the page. Or send me a copy. (This is obviously not going to happen, but there's always hope)

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Yeah, pity there isn't a reissue of It coming out soon that they could throw all this stuff on. *grumble*

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Haven't heard this in years. The earliest known example of Jarvis' exemplary patter. I wonder if this performance was what made ''Russell the muscle'' join the band!

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It wasn't me either though I have had a copy for years. Sorry I didn't admit that earlier but I never knew it was in circulation (now it's clear why the lyrics are on the wiki).

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weej wrote:

The idea is that I'm going to write about every Pulp song...

 

There used to be a website that did this.  Now what was it called?  Bar Italia, wasn't it? smile

I wish you all the best, would be great to have a synopsis of all Pulp's songs down the years.



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Thank you anonymous benefactor!

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Who the heck posted that? I wonder which live show it comes from? According to Pulpwiki the band played it at Bath Uni in Jan '82, that show is also listed as being the earliest known live recording but is not in circulation. Jarvis comments at the end of the song suggest that it was their final song/encore. Someone out there who reads this board seems to have access to that show. Thanks for posting it.

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wow, thanks a lot!

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saw119 wrote:

Someone out there who reads this board seems to have access to that show. 


I only ever got a copy of the one song; not the rest of the show. I am not naming names but there is online evidence to suggest who has a copy of what...



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Onto an actual song I've heard... but I'm going to have to nip back to update the last one at some point, so make that the second song. Anyway, here it is - check out the link at the bottom for an added treat too.

http://pulpsongs.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/14-what-do-you-say/



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weej wrote:

check out the link at the bottom for an added treat too.


An interesting little mix there. I am very interested in the punk and post punk Sheffield scene. It's always nice to view Pulp within the context of what was going on at the time in the city. If people haven't investigated the scene local to Pulp in the early 80's then they really should.



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I think the company the sites hosted by is providing the structure for the forum... Anyone know how to contact Steve? He doesn't seem to come on the site much.

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I'm enjoying the blog, weej. Excellent work.

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'I scrubbed the crabs that killed Sheffield' is already on the 2007 account

(It was not me who put it on, but thankyou to whoever did)




I'm glad 'Crabs' is now in circulation. Like Ian, I have had a copy for several years. On receiving it I was asked not to share it and so haven't. It must come from Bath University in January 82 and while a recording of the rest of the show does definitely exist, I don't have a copy.



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It's Saturday again, so here's Turkey Mambo Momma.



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Can't believe there's not been more discussion of 'Crabs' (snigger). It really must be the rarest Pulp recording to have made its' way online. And the earliest known example of Jarvis' on-stage banter. Cracking tune too.

I guess the talk of it being buried in this thread means a lot of regulars on here may not have noticed yet.

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Oh and cracking entry by the way on Turkey Mambo. I like the way your and Mike's blogs vary in style. His are succinct and yours delve deeper into discussion of the song's components and background.

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wasn't it Russell who organised the show in Bath where the recording of 'crabs' comes from?



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wasn't it Russell who organised the show in Bath where the recording of 'crabs' comes from?


 AFAIK he was the MC for the night, and had just left the stage before the clip starts.



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We're actually witnessing the start of their relationship in that song. It's quite sweet really, you have what Pulp and are going to become in a few seconds of tape. Now if only the rest of the gig would surface.

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I have completely fallen in love with Crabs now. Thank you so much to whoever emailed it in! Woah-oh-OH-oh-oh-oh!



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Ian wrote:

It wasn't me either though I have had a copy for years. Sorry I didn't admit that earlier but I never knew it was in circulation (now it's clear why the lyrics are on the wiki).


 so you've probably got the other song that you mentioned too ;)

Anyway - many thanks to whoever did upload 'Crabs' nice to have another song out in the open.

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 so you've probably got the other song that you mentioned too ;)


Anyway - many thanks to whoever did upload 'Crabs' nice to have another song out in the open.

Boo @ hoarding.


 I'd really like to have a copy of that particular song as I'm about to try writing about it. If its around it'll surface one day, and I can always go back anyway, but it's a bit frustrating knowing it's out there somewhere.

Dunno if it's about hoarding - ultimately these mp3s were given on promise of no public circulation, by people connected with the band. There may be one or two people out there silently fuming that someone broke their promise, I'd guess that's the reason people aren't so willing to share.

Now, who's going to post the Rotherham demo in baritalia2007?



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Ian wrote:

It wasn't me either though I have had a copy for years. Sorry I didn't admit that earlier but I never knew it was in circulation (now it's clear why the lyrics are on the wiki).


 so you've probably got the other song that you mentioned too ;)


 "How Could You Leave Me?" - definitely not. I've only ever heard it but have never been able to get hold of a copy.



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A few of those early unreleased songs were played at the launch for Truth and Beauty but I don't think even Mark was allowed to make copies.

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Not guilty for the leak.

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Well, as I'm sure I'm not the only one who is going to be putting this on their MP3 player, I might as well share this:

crabsf.jpg

I simply can't stand missing album art!

 

The cover (with three different titles depending on your preference):

I Scrubbed The Crabs That Killed Sheffield

I Scrubbed The Crabs

Crabs That Killed Sheffield



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Cripes alive! I didn't expect to see Crabs out there!

Looking forward to downloading this later, too. And it looks like I'll need to rejig one of the old Portfolios, too.

Now...can the kind benefactor be prevailed upon to allow the rest of the gig to surface? I suppose it's quite easy to do these things anonymously to the baritalia account...

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I must concur with the above. I have, for example, been given some lovely stuff, but I need to get permission from the original originator (tautology?) before I feel comfortable sharing. But share I will. When I can!

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How wonderful to finally hear this. It sounds like it's soundboard with it being so very tinny and without natural echo. Interesting.

Point to note - you'd never guess that 'this band' woul record 'Boats and Trains' in seven months' time!

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Point to note - you'd never guess that 'this band' woul record 'Boats and Trains' in seven months' time!


 It really makes me wonder what an album recorded by the schoolboy Pulp would have been like, this and the Peel session are so tantalising.



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Well, if the rest of this gig does surface at some point (and I now wonder how many copies of it are out there), we'd have a better idea!

I suppose the 'school boy Pulp' aspect cuts off at just before 'Boats and Trains' gets recorded though, doesn't it...?

I also further suppose that, with having the anonymity that sending stuff to the bar italia accounts provides, then hopefully we might see more stuff emerging. Fingers crossed!

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There was a bit of a transition between the two Pulps. Remember Crabs was a year or two old by 1982, and on the same days as Boats and Trains they recorded Sickly Grin!

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Sickly Grin's very much 2nd period Pulp I think, though. I know Wayne Furniss is still around, but it's quite Hinkler-led by then. All pop and charm rather than oddness.

I learnt on Sunday that one of my friends works with Jimmy Sellars. He claims, however, to have been Pulp's keyboard player rather than drummer. Odd!

Is it him making the squelching noises at the start of this recently unearthed 'Crabs'...? Or would that have been Pete Dalton at work...?

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Definitely 2nd period Pulp in terms of line-up, but I just meant it's a daft uptempo sort of thing not unlike the earlier material (and indeed it was played live at least once by the Dolly line-up).

Jim Sellars did play drums for Pulp, but he was a keyboardist more generally so maybe that's where the confusion arose. That would be Dolly on the start of Crabs though.

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And now I've got 'Sicky Grin' in my head. One of those songs that's hard to shift.

Cheers for clearing up the confusion re: Sellars' role.

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Sickly Grin should have been a single, its got way more charm than Everybody's Problem. A missed opportunity not having this on the It reissue too

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Indeed, but who owns the rights? I doubt it's Fire.

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Hopefully Pulp themselves will just release an album of everything that Fire didn't put out, including Rattlesnake!

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I believe that, although one of Pulp was once interested in doing this, another Pulper (and one whose authority must be obeyed!) was not keen.

Also....why Rattlesnake? You've got it already surely!

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Well I assume Jarvis wouldn't mind if he can play Shakespeare Rock in public now. I've only heard Rattlesnake on YouTube, can't find it on the Yahoo account. They should all be remastered on cd anyway.

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I think there's a line between playing a verse or two of something you're embarassed about but can laugh at, and hearing 'Silence' or 'Everybody's Problem' released to the pubic.

Rattlesnake should be around somewhere. I'm fairly sure I found it in one of the yahoo accounts!

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Rattlesnake should be on the deluxe ''Seppy'' as it would be the best thing on it

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Never really been much of a fan of Rattlesnake, I must say! However, the alternate version of Don't You Want Me Anymore is, I think, rather wonderful.

I think maybe I had hopes that were a little too big for Rattlesnake!

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Did anyone attempt to contact the 'Jane Doe' who leaked the track? Any response?

With the latest Pulp rarities being released, I'm minded to rejig some of the earlier Portfolios but I'm not sure whether to wait and see if more of the Bath gig comes to light or not...

The new Volume One is currently looking like...

what do you say?
turkey mambo momma
refuse to be blind
wishful thinking
please dont worry
i scrubbed the crabs that killed sheffield
sickly grin
boats and trains
my lighthouse (album version)
wishful thinking
love love
in many ways
looking for life
please dont worry
sink or swim
joking aside
blue girls
my lighthouse (7 remix)
blue girls (alternative mix)
everybodys problem
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everybody's problem peel show outro


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everybodys problem peel show outro? Whats that?

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You'll have to wait and see!

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Oops...I'd thought that was already 'out there'. Ah well, if you've no objections, Mark..? I've been working with the clip a little bit and made it all audible (originally it was very faint at the start). Also managed to put it into a little more content, so am looking forward to sharing...!

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Eh? Never heard of this either.

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Wishful Thinking - Has everyone heard the cover version by Golden? I hadn't before.



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Hmmm thats a bit harsh. Its one of Pulp's best songs in my opinion, both versions have different qualities. I heard that cover once on Youtube a while back, not a fan

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Funny how different his voice sounds only about a year later..Can't decide which one I prefer.

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Don't get me wrong, I love the Peel Session version. The 'It' version, not so much.

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Into a bit of a lean spell now, here's a placeholder for five songs I've never heard. More placeholders to come, placeholder fans!



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Not a new review this week, just an update of I Scrubbed The Crabs and another little bonus feature I'm working on.



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Family tree! Yes! And you've used the Peter Frame font, too.

Btw if Mark Sturdy bites on this he's going to drive you mental with the amount of bands you've got to fit in to that :)

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Nice work!

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Will this include Relaxed Muscle, Venini, Pollinates and such like?



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Family tree! Yes! And you've used the Peter Frame font, too.

Btw if Mark Sturdy bites on this he's going to drive you mental with the amount of bands you've got to fit in to that :)


 

He's welcome to. Right now I'm curious as to who else was in Vector 7-7.

 

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Will this include Relaxed Muscle, Venini, Pollinates and such like?


 

Blog or tree?

If the first then yes, probably, no.

If the second then yes, yes, yes.



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He's welcome to. Right now I'm curious as to who else was in Vector 7-7.


What really? Oh OK.

Steve Naylor and Dean Methley.

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The best way to connect all the bands together is with the program 'Analysts Notebook'. I have it at work, but I'm sure you could get a crack copy. You can link pictures/logos/anything with a line. The line contains info (i.e. the artists that links the bands). It also resizes and reshapes things to give the best fit.

I've done it before with band connections and it really is a beauty!

Not what it's designed for like, but I do recommend it.

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Qui est Vecteur sept-sept?

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Have you come across Uncommon People? It has a really whizzy connections thing if you click on Connections, I assumed this was a Prezi for some reason, not sure if I read that there or leapt to that conclusion all by myself. Hmm, when I loaded it just now, I got a blank screen at first, but typed Pulp into the search and it zoomed into somewhere sensible. It has bands, individuals and connections between them.

This looks like a project someone has got all excited about starting and set up all the infrastructure and connections, but haven't really got round to populating any of the information it is meant to drill down to. Not sure it's terribly active any more, doesn't appear to be developing at all.

http://uncommonpeople.co.uk/



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Re: Uncommon people. Fantastic idea but...."Steve Chapman" bass 78-79? He of the Stunt Kites? One of them married Saskia. Was it him...?

Similarly what's with the band member 'Kate Rigby' on wikipedia?

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Well I was a past band member of Pulp for over a year on wikipedia...

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Oh! That was you!

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Dominic Vent?

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Re: Uncommon people. Fantastic idea but...."Steve Chapman" bass 78-79? He of the Stunt Kites? One of them married Saskia. Was it him...?

Similarly what's with the band member 'Kate Rigby' on wikipedia?


Yeah, like I said, they don't seem to have had the motivation to go into the content properly, but the whizzy format was what appealed to me.

Saskia married Nigel Renshaw I think, she is credited as Saskia Renshaw on the Beat is the Law films.



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Cheers! I knew she'd married one of them, but wasn't sure whom.

If anyone wants to give me some info on how they'd like the bands/members to tie up in this tree, I can give it a go on the analyst's notebook software and post an image.

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This was the sort of thing I was thinking of

http://imageupper.com/i/?S0200010090011Z1332168182348007

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Back to the land of 'dunno' with the Rotherham Demo.



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At least some of these were heard at the book launch. Maybe you should ask around for further mini-reviews?

Btw, whilst I love the pictures you put onto his project, sometimes (like this one) they need clearer labelling. I presume I'm looking at an old photo of Sheffield buildings including, probably, one where the recording took place, but it'd be good to know which one was which!

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It's a contemporary (1982) photo of a street in Rotherham (unlikely to be THE street, searches for Kaley studios just lead to Pulpwiki) - if you click it you'll find a very good 'then-and-now' gallery. You're right though, a little extra labelling wouldn't go amiss.
As for other reviews, yes, very welcome indeed! But that's all I've managed to get out of everyone so far. If anyone else has heard these songs I'd be very grateful for messages / comments / etc.

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Sorry, no DVD box sets or tickets for sale here, just a fairly lengthy review of Sickly Grin.



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I had a similar inexplicable obsession with Catcliffe Shakedown at one time. Will you be putting dates on your Pulp Tree?

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The first version had dates on, but I took them off for some reason. They just cluttered it up too much.
I might update that tonight.

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Back with Boats and Trains and an upated family tree. Let me know what you think about the latter - I'm positive there are mistakes, but posting it here is probably the best way of getting it fact-checked. It's looking very confusing already, and it's hard to read some of the text. My admiration for Mr Frame grows each time I add to it.



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