I would sheepishly suggest that you use a petition site (or maybe there is code available?) so the signatures can be verified. I think most official petitions require either an email address (not publicly displayed, but can be sent to whomever the petition is intended) or some other means of verifying that it's not just 1 person signing hundreds of times with made up names.
Also, perhaps address it to Julian Fernandez, if he's still at the company?

twiggy wrote:

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I would sheepishly suggest that you use a petition site (or maybe there is code available?) so the signatures can be verified. I think most official petitions require either an email address (not publicly displayed, but can be sent to whomever the petition is intended) or some other means of verifying that it's not just 1 person signing hundreds of times with made up names.
Also, perhaps address it to Julian Fernandez, if he's still at the company?

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Yep, we discussed using a site such as petitionbuzz but Will can see the IP addresses being used to sign the petition meaning multiple entries from one individual can be filtered out. But he's better qualified to talk about that. Maybe an independent site would give the petition more credibility, I don't know. .

Fernandez was the guy who helped co-ordinate the original deluxe editions wasn't he? There's a guy that fits his description on LinkedIn (Product Manager at Universal) so that's good to know. I'm not professional enough to have a profile up there but it's surely him.

Thanks Twiggy.

Thanks for the suggestion twiggy. I will give it some thought.

At the moment, the IP address of each person who votes is recorded in the database, so it would be very difficult for one person to vote lots of times (or at least if they did it could easily be filtered out).

Email validation would be slightly more secure, but also make it more complicated. A percentage of verification emails will inevitablely disappear into people's spam filters etc.

I looked at sites like -
http://www.petitionbuzz.com/
- when setting it up and they don't seem to require email validation. 

EDIT: Eamonn has already made some of these points while I was typing this.

-- Edited by Will on Friday 28th of October 2011 09:16:16 PM

fredthe3rd wrote:

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Eels released an album of b sides, remixes, rarities and side projects from the first ten years across all albums. Would that be viable for Pulp?

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It would probably be more marketable alright as the problem we have with We Love Life is that it didn't sell fantastically well nor was it seen as distinctive/important/influential in the way that you could argue the previous three (even Intro) were.

I suppose it's the fact that between the previous reissues and the Peels Session, a lot of the unreleased, rare stuff was put out there in 2006. Fire will hopefully do the same with the 80's stuff in the coming months. 

We Love Life is a bit of an anomaly in that it's long gestation period saw a large amount of songs recorded to a high standard before being dropped. And as the album kind of fell flat on its arse (though it still got great reviews across the board in the press and at least entered in the top ten) this era has largely been forgotten about.

The prospect of the entire album being remastered and repackaged is probably slight for the reasons given, but making the demoed songs that didn't come out available for 99p each on itunes or whatever is surely something they would consider should we drum enough interest.

I think you should apply for an internship in Universal and pass these ideas on!

Jazza wrote:

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shit, it's dark and I accidentally pressed enter instead of delete to correct a typing error! That's meant to be Jasmine Lightfoot not Jasmine Lifh.

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 No problem. I've corrected it for you.

What's going on? I'm scared.

Jean wrote:

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This is a great idea & well done both Eamonn & Will for taking the initiative to put it together. Are you settling on gathering the signatures at Wiki or are your going to use a site like petitionbuzz?

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We will continue to gather signatures on the wiki. Now we're started it's not really practical to move somewhere else. I'm happy there are enough controls in place to prevent one person signing several times.

Kentis Cocker??

I'm wondering if Steve D could/should make this thread a temporary sticky?

Well lets see what this project could look like eh? I've noticed that from the previous deluxe editions Pulp aren't keen on putting demos of songs that get an official release, eg. Jarvis reference to Lipgloss demo which doesn't appear the Happy Endings demo that is circulating, only songs that are unreleased. So it's unlikely to feature the Wickerman demo or any other demos of songs that feature on the album, in my opinion. So what does that leave us with?
Yesterday
Forever In My Dreams
Cuckoo
Quiet Revolution
After You
Grandfather's Nursery
My Mistake/Chordy
My Body May Die(?)
These are the songs that are already in circulation, I included My Body May Die as stylistically it fits and it's just too darn good to be obscure. Thats 8 tracks and the deluxe editions range from 11 to 14 bonus tracks. What could take up the remainder?
One of the Trees/Sunrise remixes?
Duck Diving (Peel Session?)
Disco 2000 (Nick Cave)
The songs above could easily fill out a bonus disc in a deluxe edition without anything unreleased or unknown coming to us.
Then we move onto unreleased material
Darren
M'Lady
Peformance Of A Lifetime
St Just
Got To Have Love (vocal)
The Depot sessions are reported as not having vocals so I think it unlikely they will be released, however much I want to hear Medieveal Owl! So in reality we are talking anywhere from none to 5 unreleased songs as a best result? Anyone else have anything to add to this?

Great point Eamonn, thats what I was hoping for. Also, what about the 'The juice of thy cunny is like a fine wine' track? Do we know which song that is from? I'm secretly hoping that's from Medieval Owl and I will get a chance to hear it!

You did! i did mention that lline but no clue where it's from.

Thanks to everyone who has posted ideas about how to promote the petition.

Mentions on Facebook/Twitter/Last.fm/UK music forums (etc.) would all be great. I'll do what I can to let people know, but if we're going to get to the number of names that could possibly lead to something, as much help as possible will be needed - so please do mention it wherever you can.

Truth is I would buy a WLL deluxe edition even if it contained NOTHING that I haven't heard before.

saw119 wrote:

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One of the Trees/Sunrise remixes?

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Sunrise Fat Trucker's Scott Free mix!

The first verse of Quiet Revolution is like Shakespeare Rock, mark 2

Is this that rap you are so fond of?

Yeah if you discount Bridget Jones: succeeding where Jarvis failed.


baritalianotpulp@yahoo.co.uk
Password: pulpnotpulp

There's another two verses I didn't paste in.

It does rather. The people who buy deluxe editions are hardcore fans anyway so there's no reason why WLL DX should sell any less that DC DX. Only 4,899 posts to go...

-- Edited by fredthe3rd on Wednesday 9th of November 2011 11:06:45 AM

It'll happen at some point since Fire is releasing the oldies and the 90s records have already been re-released, if they (Island) wanna make some cash that's the only option they have left. Maybe next year, who knows. especially if Pulp do more shows. I think they rejected it last year coz the reunion gig were enough on their own to market Pulp (i think Island got cash from the songs performed live and people buying the old records).

I don't know how many signatures would impress Universal (they've just eaten up EMI and only have Sony to rival them...just spend a few quid on this and watch it recoup for feck sake!), I think I mentioned 5,000 at some stage but that seems laughably ambitious when we have one hundred and a bit after three weeks! Maybe a couple of thousand would do... Any ideas about spreading the word where it will have a genuine effect?

Interestingly, I saw the other day on Jarvis' Facebook page that a posting was made about the Rough Trade book signing and within an hour or two there were dozens of 'likes', and even more for a playlist of his that was posted on another site. If we could get these people to spend half a minute signing up on the wiki it would all make a difference. Also, I see the ''limited edition'' version of Mother, Brother, Lover sold out pretty quickly (I know they were limited in number but they cost £100 so there's some indication that there's people out there happy to spend money on his/Pulp's work).

I think Jazza already posted the petition link in one of the Jarvis discussion wall-posts but to give it greater exposure I suppose it needs to be posted on its own on the Jarvis and Pulp walls. And then, obviously, the less-specific Pulp related social media alternative music portals need to be targeted for it to have a proper impact.

Anything else?

Edit: Oh and I forgot to say, Johnny Depp mentioned Jarvis on the Graham Norton show last week and said (well, indirectly) ''I really love your band'' (to comedian Ed Byrne, who looks similar to Jarv, who was also on the show). Maybe we could get him to endorse it...I mean The Fast Show got him to perform in a sketch!

-- Edited by Eamonn on Friday 18th of November 2011 10:44:58 PM

Yeah saw that! I did post on the facebook wall a few times and I think that was shared by a few people. I also contacted those behind the facebook/ twitter accounts twice but they haven't replied   My uncle works for EMI so may be able to get a word in edgeways but not too sure if he can do anything.

When I was in the queue at the Sheffield signing I kept urging people to join this forum if they were at all interested in Pulp/Jarvis Cocker but I don't think anyone took any notice of my madman ravings. Sadly, I think the signing was before the petition went live. I can't understand why people who are into Pulp aren't on this forum. I only joined recently after lurking for a long time and it's been brilliant so far!

dumb question from andy # 125: On the pulp wiki, it says Got to have love have Jarvis on vocals on a demo: does this mean there's verse and chorus and stuff or he just repeats the line we have with the femal vox ?

ok thanx :)

The Got to have love bit would make a great chorus, and with some verse next to it, it would be a hell of a song.

well i totally hear it in my hear, as you said, something half sung half spoken, whispered ala styloroc... This has potential to be amazing, i really really hope there's more vocals. To me the structure and arrangements suggest that such a possibility is plausible. I would even go as far as saying the vocals on the version we have is the backing vocals.

 

Maybe i'll do a take someday  (it'll suck)

-- Edited by andy on Sunday 20th of November 2011 11:23:28 AM

i dont know, if this was a sample from another song then we'd have found out by now i guess, now that's everything is on the web.

It could well be the same female vocalist we have on Weeds II (and other songs) overdubbed to make it sound like a choir.

On the Hits DVD menu, you got that female voice quite clear, and it sounds almost the same to me. Are we sure those "demos" arent in fact a first version of the record ? I mean Cuckoo and Quiet revolution sound almost finished to me, same for Sunrise, unlike After You from another sessions which is clearly a demo. They could use a bit of remixing and overdubs but maybe that was a first aborted session. Experts ?

Maybe Sturdy will help us on this, it's a very interesting matter indeed.

Just logged into facebook and found this.

 

Made my afternoon, it did.

Demos fall in the category of being the property of Island. They recorded it under the name Pulp, and whatever they record, demos, live, LP, birds noise...etc belong to the label.

Good stuff weej :) (is it really him though ?)

thought so

The only official account would the one with *Jarvis Cocker* on it, thats has 50.000 members

Oh yeah.

weed wrote:

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Does it have to be Universal who release it? Are these demos licenced to anyone? Could it not be just a case of Jarvis handing over the tapes to an indie label? It's just a thought.

weej - That's cool!

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Are they technically still under contract right now??

-- Edited by twiggy on Saturday 10th of December 2011 09:59:58 AM

This deserves a bump.

202 signatures? Come on!

I made this planning to give it out at the Rough Trade signing, but I forgot it (sorry!)

 

Seconded. Enterprising indeed, Jazzabel.

Nicely done, Jazza, added to my sidebar (though I expect that everyone who reads my blog has signed it already)