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On the way to work, I listen to a lot of Pulp on my iPod, and I've been thinking about songs that link together:

  • 'Little Girl (With Blue Eyes)' seems to be about the same person as in 'Watching Nicky (the lyrics 'Oh, no she's not painting anymore, spends the evenings locked in door' in the latter match up with the lyrics 'And forget about the paintings,
    'cos you'd better get the washing done, oh, something's wrong' in the former).
  • 'Frightened' seems to be an early version of 'His 'N' Hers'.
  • 'Catcliffe Shakedown' references 'Joyriders'.
  • On the subject of 'Catcliffe Shakedown', that song, 'Modern Marriage' and 'Wickerman' all mention pudgy kids addicted to coffee whitener.
  • The viaduct in 'Wickerman' was also mentioned in 'Watching Nicky'. The sleeve notes for the latter state that "[The] 'kids throwing stones' incident took place underneath the viaduct that was later to star in 'Wickerman'."

Wow, I really do get bored on the bus, but I thought it'd be fun to post on here anyway. Does anyone know of any other such links?



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I feel like there's been more than one reference to making out under a table. And funny dances. And then sisters clothes links to babies, the inside Susan quadrillogy (awful word) and weeds parts 1&2.

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And this is more of an external link if you will but when they had the floods in Catcliffe a few years back there was a BBC special which featured a montage at the end of flood damage, and people helping each other out etc. The song they used to soundtrack the montage was Heavy Weather.

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ive always felt that there was a connection between disco 2000 and your in my eyes

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You haven't always thought it. I bet prior to 2009 you very rarely thought it, if at all. I take it you mean beyond the word disco in the title...

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salmon92 wrote:

 

  • On the subject of 'Catcliffe Shakedown', that song, 'Modern Marriage' and 'Wickerman' all mention pudgy kids addicted to coffee whitener.

 

Jarvis mentioned in his talk in Cheltenham that he'd wanted to get the line about pudgy 15 year olds addicted to coffee whitener  into a released song for a long time, giving the examples you mentioned.

He also mentioned, musically, the one song that had been hanging round for years unwritten was Something Changed.



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I see a great affinity between Stacks and Disco 2000. Both use similar chords and have relative themes.

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In the sleeve notes for HnH Deluxe, Jarvis highlights a link between "Frightened" and "The Fear" and yes, when I heard it for the first time I did think that, maybe if you slowed down the former....you see what I mean.

Also, mentioned before, but in the wrong thread, I have noticed a slight musical similarity between "Anorexic Beauty" and "Got to have Love"

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fredthe3rd wrote:

I feel like there's been more than one reference to making out under a table.

The ones that spring to mind for this are 'Love Love' and 'Acrylic Afternoons', but I swear there were more than that.



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Well Sheffield: Sex City is set the morning after My legendary Girlfriend so thats for starters. Also, My Legendary Girlfriend mentions cooling towers and a canal. This is in the Don valley near Meadowhall and is the same place as mentioned in both Wickerman and Catcliffe Shakedown; Tinsley Towers (now demolished). Oh, just remembered one of my faves that also links in. On the 93 Hit the North session during Sheffield: Sex City when Jarvis seductively whispers to his absent lover 'I wanna take you to Catcliffe, tonight yeah..you comin'?' Just genius and ridiculous at the same time.



-- Edited by saw119 on Tuesday 11th of October 2011 08:24:13 AM

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you guys are awesome.... its all in the details - best place on the net I think, well this and last.fm - sorry just thought Id get that in.

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fredthe3rd wrote:

You haven't always thought it. I bet prior to 2009 you very rarely thought it, if at all. I take it you mean beyond the word disco in the title...

 Funny!

The truth is Ive only thought it for about 6 weeks and yes, beyond the word disco. I started to think it when I noticed Thursday was metioned in both of them. After listening to YIME for a while, I felt there could be a connection. Disco 2000, 10 years on.



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S:SC is set the morning after MLG? Really?!

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From the sleeve notes to S:SC 'The morning after My Legendary Girlfriend. Trying to get things done but ending up on a tour round the fleshpots of Sheffield in a T-reg Chevette. Wybourn, Brincliffe, Intake - All these places really exist and maybe these adventures still happen there - I wouldn't know; I don't live there anymore.'

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I never had the S:SC single (gotta get that cheeky colon in!), I'll have to listen to them back to back. And then the four Inside Susan songs as I've only recently realised that there's a fourth song. It is The Babysitter right?

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Yes, that's right.

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Does anyone think that it would be possible put pulp songs that have some kind of story into some sort of chronological order, or is there simply too many? Obviously some wouldn't fit in as some songs are just about simple things like beds and situations. Could be interesting though...

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I hope this doesn't all end up with a Pulp version of We Will Rock You or Mama Mia.

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I was thinking more along the lines of the secret Nintendo zelda timeline

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I hope this doesn't all end up with a Pulp version of We Will Rock You or Mama Mia.

 Will our hero, JC, be able to navigate the trials and tribulations of adolescence in large northern industrial city? Gasp as he experiences girls, gangs and grubby squats. Laugh as he rides his Raleigh Chopper along the grimy riverbanks. A heartwarming tale of triumph against adversity set against the backdrop of men with taches in white shirts roaming the streets at night. Will the Mis-shapes, led by our hero JC, finally take control of the hole in the road? Find out in a West End theatre near you...soon!



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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned "They Suffocate at Night" and "Live Bed Show" - to me they sound very similar musically.



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Im starting to make things up in my head now. Im a man lyrics in don't let him waste your time. Too much cider!

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Going back to Last FM which just got a mention, just signed up to that to see what all the fuss was about... Is it not just some form of voluntary identity theft? I suddenly found myself avoiding songs that didn't seem cool enough. Oh and I'm pretty sure I haven't listened to 'The National Trust' AKA Jarvis' crunching pebbles album 54 times!

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salmon92 wrote:

On the way to work, I listen to a lot of Pulp on my iPod, and I've been thinking about songs that link together:

  • 'Little Girl (With Blue Eyes)' seems to be about the same person as in 'Watching Nicky (the lyrics 'Oh, no she's not painting anymore, spends the evenings locked in door' in the latter match up with the lyrics 'And forget about the paintings,
    'cos you'd better get the washing done, oh, something's wrong' in the former).

 This his about his momma.



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...oh yeah. Bang goes that theory. And Jarvis said WN was about his ex. Looks like we can chalk that one up as coincidence.

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fredthe3rd wrote:

Oh and I'm pretty sure I haven't listened to 'The National Trust' AKA Jarvis' crunching pebbles album 54 times!

 It's free! Plus you get to hear peoples footsteps what's not to love? If only Jarvis would pop up with a commentary 'I have just seen a badger', 'That's a lovely pair of tits' etc. He'd have a good voice for wildlife documentaries I reckon.



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That would be sweet as, but seriously, I played a couple of tracks thought 'naah!' and only hear any of it now if it comes on random and I immediately hit skip. 54 plays is not possible.

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I think you could link the whole of This Is Hardcore together to form one story. I know the songs are very personal to Jarvis but from one perspective you can almost see a concept album.

The Fear - A "foreword" so to speak, setting the scene, telling the narrator detailing his depressive, paranoid, weary outlook on life.
Dishes - The opening scene, the narrator is in a rut, realising that his youth has been and gone.
Party Hard - The narrator goes to a party to try and "stay young" and realises how tiresome and monotonous it is.
Help The Aged - The weariness of partying has led the narrator to realise his age, and how he is dangerously approaching a midlife crisis.
This Is Hardcore - Furthering the age theme, the narrator has also grown bored of sex with his girlfriend and how disgustingly primitive it all is.
TV Movie - The narrator has dumped his girlfriend and is at a low, although he blames her for it. "To wish the day would go away, just like you did yesterday" - shows that he is a character who is always in denial.
A Little Soul - He visits his father who asks him "how come you treat your woman so bad?". His father, who was abusive to the narrator's mother, is scared that his son will turn out just like him, and likewise the narrator feels this way.
I'm A Man - His mates take him out on a night out with the lads to cheer him up, just like the good old days, but much like in Party Hard and This Is Hardcore the narrator questions the credibility and productivity of it all.
Seductive Barry - Coming in from the night out dissilusioned and with no-one else to turn to, the narrator turns into bed and seeks comfort in fantasising about a relationship with a fictitious woman.
Sylvia - He bumps into a girl who looks like his ex called Sylvia - this woman is a victim of domestic abuse and he is consoling her. Whilst he is trying to comfort her by saying "things will get better" for her it suddenly dawns on him that they will for him too, which leads to the epiphany that is...
Glory Days - The narrator analyses the way he had hopes and dreams and how they failed, but somehow he ended up where he is now, as if fate placed him here and this was how it was always meant to be. How everyone in their current situation, wherever they are, experiences their "glory days", so they should make the most of life instead of "sleeping in"
The Day After The Revolution - The curtain caller. After the acceptance of the narrator's situation, of the fact that he is reaching middle-age, of how he is single, has an estranged father, has alienated a lot of mates, the best thing to do is to carry on, and then the fear will be over.

Maybe I've looked a bit too deep into it lol, but this is what happens when you spend a long period of your life obsessively listening to an album!

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