Wouldn't it be great if someone did a video for Wickerman which showed the locations mentioned in the song? It wouldn't have to feature any actors... in that would spoil it; just a series of moving images would be sweet.
I think it's a good idea and would be more than happy to be involved in such a project. I already live in Sheffield and know where the locations are, in fact this video for Wickerman plays in my head everytime I listen to it.
I have a friend in Surrey who's good at video editing - his arm may be twisted - although he's not a Pulp fan (never forgave him for the BRIT awards...)
He's also made some short films with a colleague as well but I very much doubt he could be talked into making the trip to Sheffield. I'm sure people on this forum have these skills as well though...
I've got an even shallower related story. I was in New York a few years before 2001. Saw a documentary a while back and they showed the barely damaged shopping centre underneath the World Trade, including a video-game shop with all the games still perfectly stacked on the shelves.
To my eternal shame, my first thought was 'oh I missed that!'
Happy Birthday Stephen! I don't live in Sheffield either but I have decent video editing skills if needed. Either way, I'd be very interested in seeing what these places look like!
I always thought Pulp should have made videos for the epic/monologue-driven songs like Sheffield:Sex City, Deep Fried In Kelvin and Wickerman. The amount/description of places and Jarvis & Steve's film-making chops could have made for some fascinating little films.
True but doesn't it actually remove the mystique of the lyric if the video is chock full of the actual places. For example, Wickerman is a very beautiful romantic lyrical view of Sheffield but geograohically inaccurate in many ways. Never let the truth spoil a good song!
For example, check out this short film of Kelvin flats https://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b171/sheffieldarchives/videos%20of%20sheffield/?action=view¤t=kelvinvideolowestquality.mp4
They were knocked down in the 90's. I used to walk past them fairly regularly when a child as we didn't live too far away. There really was trouble with people taking pot shots from air rifles at passing cars and motorists.
My parents moved to Yorkshire recently and I've been planning to do exactly this... Not that it took much research but I've located the Forge Dam cafe, the concrete channel and traffic island from the opening lines, the flyover from the ending, and I'm pretty sure that I've narrowed down the viaduct to one of two along the River Don. One of them has a pub rather close by.
Doubt I'll be up there for a couple of months, but I had been planning to put a map together of the route and post it here... if anyone would be willing to share locations/information, help would be gratefully received!
As for spoiling the magic... good point and perhaps a viable threat. Like everyone, I've formed clear images to accompany the song - but I think they've been part of my mental furniture for long enough to withstand whatever Sheffield has to throw. As a Pulp pilgrimage, I don't think there's anything to come close...
That's an interesting vid. Is ethereal the right word? I think it's possible to do without detracting from the song but there is the risk. And the lyrics and music paint a rather vivid picture in my head anyway... plus how would you do the drowning in mud section? Just lots of shots of mud and the bridge for a full minute?
It's a good idea to do for a bit of a laugh. That song plays out as a motion picture in my head every time I play it. That film of Kelvin flats is really cool. Where did it come from?
It came from this really interesting website about brutalist living in Sheffield http://streetsinthesky.webs.com/. Sheffield is widely considered to be the apogee of the brutalist movement in architecture. I've become even more interested in this kind of thing. One of the problems you have in Sheffield is virtually nothing is the same now as it is in Jarvis songs. He is singing about a Sheffield that no longer exists. If anyone is up in Sheffield sometime I'd love to show you guys around. If you're interested superchob we could work on this together?
Only a tad relevant, but I was listening to The Wickerman on my ipod on the bus today - twice. Once on the way there and once on the way back. I love the way this track takes me off into a wonderful little daydream and away from all the humdrumness of what's going on outside. Sorry, I know that's not as exciting as all the wonderfully creative ideas emerging on this thread, but I felt the need to share it anyway.
This thread has also got me thinking about a comment from Jarvis I recall hearing/reading at some point (no idea when or where), something along the lines of how having a soundtrack playing at important moments in your real life (as in the movies), would make everything seem far more significant and touching, as opposed to mundane and stupid (I am using my own words here, cos I am struggling to remember anything other than the gist of it). I suppose this is what The Wickerman does for Sheffield, so on my bus journey, with this song playing into my head, I was imaging how a Southend-on-Sea version of The Wickerman would sound. How every little mundane thing I was passing could be transformed into something touching, maybe even magical, if only someone could write a song about it.
I guess that's kind of what I had in mind. I don't know how you'd go about populating Google Maps with points-of-interest (without paying any money anyway), but certainly if we had somewhere were we could go to add such sites in graphical form, a 'Sex City Tour' would gradually take shape... and it'd be a beautiful thing...
Do you mean a self guided one? I had in mind the type where someone leads a group around points of interest and tells stories. They've both got their benefits.
Going back to the film idea I once saw a film that was just still photographs to music (don't ask me the name) sometimes static images, sometimes slowly zooming in etc. Then in the first episode of matt smiths doctor who they had a section that was a sort of cartoon made from a series of similar photographs all laced together.
I'm not making much sense... Just trying to think of a way of making it seem magical... Yeah.
I reckon creating some sort of walking tour however brief of spots listed in pulp songs is a really good idea (only been to Sheffield once but took a lot of pleasure listening to wickerman while walking back to the train station along the don - then the gps on my phone messed up and with 10 minutes to spare until my train left I found myself walking along a motorway for quite a while before realising I had missed the footbridge. If you go to Sheffield and decide to walk by the river, don't make that mistake :P)
It's true waht you say about Wickerman Anet. I completely fall for seeing the romantic in the tiny mundane details of everyday life. It's great to see the sights but the journey around them would be just as interesting, it's nice to have a little bit of context whilst moving from one site to another. I've been doing these guided tours in my head for years anyway, I just get completely wrapped up in it. On the subject of the Wickerman film the 'still photo' concept was what I had pretty much settled on. I might even give it a go soon.
I'm such an idiot! I was describing this photo video thing in another pos, somehow it didn't fully register with me that the video you linked to was exactly like I was describing... Sometimes I'm so dozy it's beyond a joke!
I have some experience but I have also been storyboarding it out, making a list of locations etc. Hopefully it will go quite smoothly. However, I have no idea when it will be finished!
Hi superchob, do you mean just for Wickerman or for all the songs with Sheffield references? I've just got back from my first day out photographing and it's been pissing it down here in Sheff. I also managed to cut my finger on some razor wire while standing on a wall, leaning on the fence that now surrounds the concrete channel under which the river flows, so I couldn't really recommend a trip there! Got a couple of good pics though. As I suspected I think the picture of the channel on pulpwiki is wrong. I have to say though; that was bloody good fun.
I was so pleased to read that last sentence! When you were saying about cutting yourself I was thinking "that's sort of my fault!" go to the doctor if it starts to swell!
I have questions: is each location clear from the lyrics? Are you using all new photos or will you mix in archive shots if something changed (ahem) from when the song was released?
It's pretty obvious where the places are from the lyrics. The biggest problem is how much they've changed over the years. Which means; I am undecided about using archive shots or not. For example the warehouse Jarvis lived in is gone and the Trebor factory is now simply called Cadburys amongst other changes. I can use either modern pics or try and find archive ones but as the song says 'the river flows on'. What would you suggest/prefer?
The vision in my head, outside of the purely practical, is to simply do the song justice. It's more a matter of finding the right photo and of a good enough quality. It's being done on the cheap but I wouldn't like it to look cheap. I still wanna be staring at the stars while lying in the gutter.
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Could putting a slightly weathered effect on the shots using a computer add to the feel? I don't know much about photography so feel free to ignore any of my ideas!
Also the more I think about you on that wall clutching that razor wire the more I feel morally responsible for your wellbeing!
I hope you'll allow me a 'lol' at that. The wall wasn't that high and I was trying to squeeze the camera inbetween the gap betwixt top of fence n razorwire and caught my finger. If the council ever bothered to trim the trees it wouldn't have been a problem. At various other times I climbed over the wall onto the bank to take pics, you're not really supposed to do that either. But there was never art without suffering; someone must have said that once. I'm a big boy and I can swim, although to be honest the water's only a few inches deep! It'd be the drop from the bank that would kill me.
A long wretched death as you sink slowly into the mud, your mobile phone three miserable inches out of reach. After the screams in vain have given way to dry rasping breaths there'll be nothing left to do except hope the bitter tears of regret drown you before the mud can, but of course they won't. Your last pitiful words as your pathetic tear stained face disappears below the surface: "Why Fred, why?"
I found another candidate for the concrete channel from the beginning of Wickerman. None of them are 'just behind the Station' and all are 'before you reach the traffic Island'! Which one should I use. Oh, the weight of expectation and responsibility is crushing.
Hi, I've been lurking around here for a while, I used to have an account on the older version of this forum.
Having read this thread, if you're after images of the river underground and a few sites, you might want to take a look at this urban explorer website: 28 Days Later forum
There's some huge drainage system running under Sheffield (dubbed the megatron) which people often wander down to take pictures of,
e.g.
Just search for Sheffield for some interesting views or Megatron for the huge underground drains.. not sure if it's really what you're after for this video, but it might help :)
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I found another candidate for the concrete channel from the beginning of Wickerman. None of them are 'just behind the Station' and all are 'before you reach the traffic Island'! Which one should I use. Oh, the weight of expectation and responsibility is crushing.
Pulpwiki claims that it's the one at Pond Hill, but to be fair it doesn't support the claim. From the sky it appears to be nestled inbetween the station and traffic island. Where's the alternative candidate?
Oh there's several. The river does run through a concrete culvert at the end of Queens Road before a traffic island, on Suffolk road it runs through a narrow concrete channel but in front of the station and not near any particular traffic island and in the Pond Hill candidate the photo is facing the worng way; there is a concrete channel at the other end of the exposed section of river (currently undergoing some intense building work. Cue amused glances from Sheffield workmen as I appear to photograph them yesterday) but once again in front of the station and quite a way from the huge traffic island. My personal fave is the culvert at Queens road. It has been built up somewhat recently and the traffic island there has been replaced. So...take yer pick! I know about megatron, the issue is that that section of tunnel does not correspond to anywhere in the song geographically. Also, we're talikng about two different rivers here in these concrete channels and in fact there are five rivers in Sheffield all of which conflate to become one river in the song.
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The Queen's Road one looks pretty good. From space, anyway. It's a lengthier stretch and perhaps more worthy of a visit by the narrator in the song. Also, maybe saying it was "after the Leadmill" refers to its proximity to the venue rather than being a reference to an event that happened there - an early Pulp gig, for example. The more you think about it, the more likely Queen's seems.
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Queens Road was the one I had in my head from the moment I first heard the song. It's almost romantic walking down there! I have now taken just over 300 photos and still have plenty more to go. Was checking out the Don at the Wicker today, walking under railway viaducts; it smelt bad and it was slightly spooky at times.
I've just looked up little mesters, you presumably know this but I never realised it was a cutlery maker from Sheffield! I never thought that much about it but I think I assumed it was some sort of old fashioned way of describing bubbling water or something. Are you doing a photo specific to that line?
Yes I did know about little mesters fred and I am curently trying to work out how best to illustrate them. They were independant cutlery artisans, there still are some. it supposedly comes from the fact that they were both masters and men at the same time. I could use a painting or a photograph? There used to be a pub in Sheffield called Little Mesters but long since gone and sadly cant find a picture of either it or its sign. As much as possible blueowl I'm trying to use pics that only I have taken. I am, however, now thinking about mixing in some vintage shots as well as my modern ones. I will include plenty of pics of dirty brickwork conduits don't worry. I want it to be a representation of the song but I don't think I want it to be ultra literal, I want it to have an element of Art to it not just a series of photos of locations. If anyone has any suggestions please put them forward but I reserve to right to do it my way. I have started animating it now with the music, I think it looks rather good so far.
Saw, that last post fills me with the utmost confidence that you can do this job justice. You are now officially my second favourite Sheffielder (Sheffieldian?).
I didn't mean to sound funny blueowl, not at all so I apologise if I did. Those guys in Meadowhall are smelters rather than Little Mesters. Little Mesters worked on their own with finished steel and made wonderful items of cutlery, knives etc.
Just been looking at the comments about the song on songmeanings http://www.songmeanings.net/m/song/3530822107858515773/ I found it quite interesting, don't know if any of it is news to you Saw...
I knew about the songs genesis in a trip Jarvis tried to make down the river. One of my ideas was to have an empty inflatable boat drifting down the river at the end of the song. I was also under that Wicker viaduct on Friday and indeed was stood on the spider bridge. I gazed down at the sludgy brown surface of the water, it was pretty rank.
Havn't been able to get out to take pics since last friday but should be out tomorrow. Started some preliminary editing, syncing the song up to the pics. God bless windows movie maker! It could just be me but it looks and sounds quite lovely.
ADVENTURES of exploration along two Sheffield rivers have been recalled by Jarvis Cocker - one later serving as inspiration for Pulp album track Wickerman.
Jarvis has told how in the mid-1980s he and some friends walked down the River Porter from the Midland Station, through tunnels out into the suburbs.
"Sometimes the river would run through a dirty brickwork tunnel for a quarter of a mile or so, and then it would emerge in another part of town - never where we expected," he said.
"It seemed quite amazing to discover such an adventure in the middle of the city we had grown up in and which we all professed to be totally bored with."
Jarvis said the next year he attempted to navigate the Don in a similar way, this time using an inflatable dinghy bought in a jumble sale.
"I was living in an old warehouse in an area known as the Wicker and the river flowed directly past," he said.
"We were travelling downstream so we didn't have to do much rowing and somehow drifting past familiar landmarks from a different angle seemed to fill us with excitement. It was like a cut-price Apocalypse Now."
Jarvis' voyage continued as far as Rotherham and he always vowed to finish the journey at a later date.
And while he never did, Jarvis says as the day was one of the happiest of his life, he still can't rule it out entirely.
That's an interesting little article that, I remember reading it at the time. What strikes me though is that the Porter is little more than a trickle by the time it reaches the Midland station and doesn't get much bigger for it's entire course all the way up to Forge Dam, maybe he means the Sheaf? Went to the exact spot where Jarvis lived next to the river Don the other day, warehouse is gone but you can still trace his journey all the way to Tinsley Viaduct. It's a wonderful trip!
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Wish I'd known you lived up there earlier! I was in Sheffield on Sunday 11 September, on a Pulp pilgrimage of my own to see the area where Jarvis grew up. Still plan to go back at some point when I've got more time to see other sights etc..
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I've done about half of it. It's taking a long time because it's just a thing to do on the side. I still need to take some pics in a couple of places but I don't want to do it when it's pissing it down. If I can get the rest of the pics taken next week it'll be ready soon after.