Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
Post Info TOPIC: Mother, Brother, Lover


Hardcore

Status: Offline
Posts: 153
Date:
Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Jarvis is publishing a book of selected lyrics with faber in October. Ther's an interview here (sorry posting from phone so can't get link to work): http://vimeo.com/25024741

__________________
Her house was very small with woodchip on the wall


Sorted

Status: Offline
Posts: 26
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


The news of the forthcoming book has made the New Musical Express. http://www.nme.com/news/pulp/57688

__________________

Sunrise: For The Pulp Fanatics



The Only Way is Down

Status: Offline
Posts: 4715
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Yeah, I can imagine he's been asked to do this a lot over the years. Good to see him be as humble as ever in the interview. While, as often is the case, the interviewer's fawning/misjudging Jarvis' personality ''Tell us about the kinship you feel with Larkin''... and seeing Jarvis almost visibly squirm is quite amusing.

Faber are doing something similar on Nicky Wire of the Manics (more photo-related) and I think Brett Anderson has done something similar. Among his contemporaries Jarvis surely merits a project like this more than most.

I think it's also the nearest we'll ever get to a Cocker auto-biog. No purging of the soul for him like Morrissey has apparently been doing for his life-story (on F&F aswell?). It will be interesting to see what songs he puts in (a commentary on the inspiration to the songs to go with the lyrics would be great too...how likely is that I wonder?). Presumably this will extend to his solo work, otherwise I think brand ''Pulp'' would possibly feature in the title/subtitle.

Oh and the rhyming words of the title...how often has it (or at least two of the words) come up in Pulp songs? Death Comes To Town, Razzmatazz, Have You Seen Her Lately, Seconds, Disco 2000....quite a few then. Any more?

__________________

Tell mester to f*ck off!



The Boss

Status: Offline
Posts: 917
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Perfect title!

__________________


Loss Adjuster

Status: Offline
Posts: 333
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Should be interesting. But I'm a bit surprised, Jarvis himself has noted that song lyrics don't neccessarily work well when written as poetry.

NB: Please do not read the lyrics whilst listening to the recordings

 

Eamonn wrote:

Oh and the rhyming words of the title...how often has it (or at least two of the words) come up in Pulp songs? Death Comes To Town, Razzmatazz, Have You Seen Her Lately, Seconds, Disco 2000....quite a few then. Any more?

 Sheffield: Sex City, Don't Lose It

 



__________________

www.pulpwiki.net



The Only Way is Down

Status: Offline
Posts: 4715
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


I think it's mainly reading them at the same time as listening to the song that bothers him. Otherwise I don't think he'd bother ever putting the lyrics in his sleevenotes.

__________________

Tell mester to f*ck off!



The Only Way is Down

Status: Offline
Posts: 1748
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


For some reason I feel kind of sad about this. Pulp enter the realm of glossy coffee table publications for grown-ups. It's the same thing with the new Owen Hatherley book (and to an even greater extent, the review on the 3am website) - the excerpts I've read are absolutely excellent and kind of sum up why Pulp meant so much to me than better than I ever could, whilst making some very valid and insightful criticisms. Yet isn't there something a bit disspiriting about seeing a band you grew up loving unconditionally now being subject to clinical academic dissection?

Oh well. That's the passing of time for you.

__________________
"Yes I saw her in the chip shop / so I said get yer top off"


Street Operator

Status: Offline
Posts: 664
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Sturdy...you put my feelings into words more eloquently than I ever could have.

I felt that Jarvis was a little uncomfortable himself whenever the interviewer tried to get him to compare himself to various poets. Not *quite* sure what benefit this book will be. I hate to say it, but it does feel a little like it's just something new for people to buy at the merchandise stand off the back of Pulp's reunion.

__________________

www.LeoVK.com
twitter.com/LeoVK



The Only Way is Down

Status: Offline
Posts: 4715
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


I'm pretty sure over the years that Jarvis has said 'No' to a lot more to things where money can be made from than he has agreed to. He's clearly flattered to have been asked by a prestigious label like FF even if they're perhaps not so exclusive and select in their publication choices these days.

As for Pulp being subject to academic discussion...well, when you write lyrics as well-observed and with some thought put into them like Jarvis did, it's not surprising that they prompt discussion among well-educated people. There's nothing wrong with that, indeed it's a compliment if anything. At times I do feel it's a bit OTT when you consider the amount of content in their songs that are largely about, and are inspired by, sex and base desires.

__________________

Tell mester to f*ck off!



This Space For Rent

Status: Offline
Posts: 271
Date:
Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


(@Sturdy:) I think that's the key, really; the music's been around long enough, and in people's lives long enough, that it takes on a life of its own, as anything is liable to do after 20-odd years. Like you say, gathering moss like that is just what happens. Some artists can resist the mythologising and anthologising by being down to earth and self-deprecating (Jarvis' demeanour in the interview (after the "kinship with Larkin" bit of the interview, there's something clearly edited out, I wonder what was said there that had to be expunged?), even the very title of the book, are all about deflating pomposity)... but even that only postpones the inevitable. If they come back with some new material, I'd predict more reviews saying they're back to their best and "as relevant as ever" than reviews saying they're tarnishing a proud legacy, but very few reviews saying they were always shit - unless someone's setting themselves up as an iconoclast.

It certainly means I can't put the site back up in its original form :)



-- Edited by Steve Devereux on Thursday 30th of June 2011 06:46:06 PM

__________________


Quantum Theorist

Status: Offline
Posts: 1330
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Steve Devereux wrote:

It certainly means I can't put the site back up in its original form :)


 Not sure anyone's browser would be old enough to view it if you did biggrin



__________________


Street Operator

Status: Offline
Posts: 664
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


ArrGee wrote:
Steve Devereux wrote:

It certainly means I can't put the site back up in its original form :)


 Not sure anyone's browser would be old enough to view it if you did biggrin


 MMMM-HMMM! You went there girlfrien'!

(...sorry!)



__________________

www.LeoVK.com
twitter.com/LeoVK



Cocaine Socialist

Status: Offline
Posts: 569
Date:
Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Am I missing the point of this book? What is there to be gained by popping them into a book when all the lyrics are completely accessible anyway? If you want the lyrics listen to the songs, or read the sleevenotes (but NOT at the same time of course - goes without saying). I wonder who this is marketed at?



-- Edited by anet on Thursday 30th of June 2011 09:56:05 PM

__________________
I can't help it, I was dragged up


The Only Way is Down

Status: Offline
Posts: 4715
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Yeah, as I said before, I hope each song comes with an anecdote from Jarvis on what it's about or something similar.
Otherwise, his lyrics given lofty-status (the architect from 59 Lyndhurst Grove will get it out when he has his next dinner party when they're talking records, art and sex) on a prestigious literary brand do make it look a bit...sad, as Sturdy says.

__________________

Tell mester to f*ck off!

Ste


Hardcore

Status: Offline
Posts: 151
Date:
Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


I really do understand - and myself feel - the "quite sad" nagging feeling of letting this all slide into the literati annals and domain, but making the most of the moment: I'm all for it!

I see it as a good sign: of Pulp finally realising their worth, and how they are missed, and pushing forwards using marketing and exposure, rather than keeping it at arm's length.

Pulp may well have finally (re)discovered their value, the art of marketing, and making the most of their position. If so, then we're in for a good few months (I hope years!), I reckon. So I view this a good shift in how things may pan out. Whilst vindication isn't (hopefully) on any agenda, this is a far more appealing prospect than number 76 in the album charts, nay?

And yep! That's my rule about posting on a forum after having a drink broken. Again!



-- Edited by Ste on Thursday 30th of June 2011 11:26:14 PM

__________________


This Space For Rent

Status: Offline
Posts: 271
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


ArrGee wrote:
Steve Devereux wrote:

It certainly means I can't put the site back up in its original form :)


 Not sure anyone's browser would be old enough to view it if you did biggrin


 BANNED



__________________


Hardcore

Status: Offline
Posts: 153
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


I actually am an academic! Don't knock us all - I'm absolutely passionate about what I research and write about and not clinical at all. And, as a historian, my work is all about the everyday, class, longings and aspirations, which is one of the reasons why I love Pulp so much! I think faber is a great choice if the book is produced in the beautifully simple, pared down form of the classic faber poetry list.

__________________
Her house was very small with woodchip on the wall


Loss Adjuster

Status: Offline
Posts: 391
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Well, this is not a release from Pulp, It's from Jarvis. So this could mean that he will include solo works, side projects and other miscellaneous things?

__________________


Quiet Revolutionary

Status: Offline
Posts: 474
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Ste wrote:

I see it as a good sign: of Pulp finally realising their worth, and how they are missed, and pushing forwards using marketing and exposure, rather than keeping it at arm's length.

Pulp may well have finally (re)discovered their value, the art of marketing, and making the most of their position. If so, then we're in for a good few months (I hope years!), I reckon. So I view this a good shift in how things may pan out. Whilst vindication isn't (hopefully) on any agenda, this is a far more appealing prospect than number 76 in the album charts, nay?


 Strongly agree with all of this! Here in the U.S., Pulp/Jarvis were seemingly all but forgotten in the period between the belated release here of We Love Life and the belated release of Jarvis' first solo album. Very happy to see their/his stock has risen.



__________________

Back from the dead -- Music From a Bachelor's Den!



Quantum Theorist

Status: Offline
Posts: 1330
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Steve Devereux wrote:
ArrGee wrote:
Steve Devereux wrote:

It certainly means I can't put the site back up in its original form :)


 Not sure anyone's browser would be old enough to view it if you did biggrin


 BANNED


 Wow - I'm the second to be banned!



__________________


The Only Way is Down

Status: Offline
Posts: 4715
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Could have sworn I saw a post earlier by FussFree on this thread saying something about needing to keep Camille fed...did I imagine it?!

Don't delete your posts man, have the courage of your convictions! The more bitter the bettersmile



__________________

Tell mester to f*ck off!



Quantum Theorist

Status: Offline
Posts: 1330
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


anet wrote:

I wonder who this is marketed at?


Us I guess. 

Eamonn wrote:

needing to keep Camille fed...


 Ah, now we know the reason behind the reunion!  

 



__________________


Cocaine Socialist

Status: Offline
Posts: 569
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Sorry but I'm not buying it. I have cds, sleevenotes and the internet. It doesn't give the lyrics anymore weight or loftiness by sticking them in a nicely bound book. I think it does the reverse and sterilises them.

__________________
I can't help it, I was dragged up
Ste


Hardcore

Status: Offline
Posts: 151
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


Deborah wrote:

I actually am an academic! Don't knock us all - I'm absolutely passionate about what I research and write about and not clinical at all. And, as a historian, my work is all about the everyday, class, longings and aspirations, which is one of the reasons why I love Pulp so much! I think faber is a great choice if the book is produced in the beautifully simple, pared down form of the classic faber poetry list.


Heh, I'm not knocking anyone! Just sad in that it makes it feel more like "proper history, like" in a sense. I understand and feel that.



__________________


Someone Like The Moon

Status: Offline
Posts: 891
Date:
RE: Mother, Brother, Lover
Permalink  
 


I was just thinking, do you think Jarvis will do book signings when it's released?

__________________

I'm not Jesus, though I have the same initials

mixcloud.com/jasminelightfoot/

1 2  >  Last»  | Page of 2  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.

Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us


Create your own FREE Forum
Report Abuse
Powered by ActiveBoard