I would be very interested in listening to these demo versions... do you think that you could upload them on Bar Italia, that would be very nice of you?
Nicolas.

Want!

So, Manners, is 'After You' as good as Geoff Travis and Nick Banks claim?

And are 'My Mistake' and 'Last Song In The World' instrumentals? No mention of them with lyrics in the Demo page on the official site (which was spot on with the details of HnH and DC recordings which appeared on the reissues last year).

We await a We Love Life deluxe edition with increasing interest...

Manners,
Please put these gems into a yahoo account.
Would be lovely to hear some 'new' pulp material!!

Errrm... bit rude perhaps, Andy?

Damn. I would love to hear that. There are some great tracks on We Love Life, but sometimes they are a bit too produced.

No Scotty, they weren't.

For what it's worth, you've succeeded between yourselves in making Manners somewhat disinclined to post here again, never mind start passing out copies of unreleased studio material to anyone who asks.

Consider this for a minute. You're an ex-member/close associate of a famous band, and as a result you get given a copy of the work-in-progress demos for their new album. Obviously you don't go around copying this for people or putting it on the internet or anything because it goes without saying that this would be a massive breach of trust.

Years later you find the CD and post the tracklisting on here in case anyone's interested. Clearly it's STILL not your music to give away, so the thought of copying/uploading it for anyone, let alone random internet people you've never met, doesn't cross your mind.

That's before you get half a dozen responses variously demanding that you put the tracks online, accusing you of being an imposter and/or making the whole thing up, and saying you've got the song titles wrong.

That's clearly going to change your mind isn't it?

Well done everyone.

I think that just about speaks for itself.

I was just asking a civil question about one song title generating into another over time.

I'm not interested in patronising comments.

Hence cancelling this account.

Goodnight.

Alright then Scotty, if you're that desperate for a response. For the record, it's not true that I ignored your email because I couldn't be bothered replying to it. It was actually a conscious decision because I didn't really want to get into a conversation with you. However, as you've taken to attacking me on a public forum, you don't leave me with much option...

Firstly the song titles thing. Yes, Sunrise and Cuckoo apparently had the working titles Rave Sense and Burgers & Coolers when they were first played live. By the time they were demoed, they were called Sunrise and (The) Cuckoo (Song).

1 - Yes, I'm certain that the message was posted by Peter Mansell as I've been in contact privately with him about it. Why he deleted his previous account and then created a new one I don't know, but it's actually the second time he's done it.

2 - Why wouldn't it be a mishmash of tracks? It's obviously something that's been put together for the band's own reference, presumably at some point during 2000 in order to review the songs they had at that point in the project. My best guess is that it was done immediately before the start of the main album sessions to help whittle down the main contenders for album tracks. That's feasible surely?

3 - There probably would've been a response from Manners to some of the questions on here if some of the more snotty remarks from people had made him decide not to bother!

4 - Fair enough, the Depot demo of Minnie was indeed titled Jungle Rumble according to the Pulp People site. However, if you really want to get into it, it doesn't necessarily follow that the version on this CD was that version. For all we know, it could be the final album version, a live version, or some unknown interim studio recording.

5 - Whatever...

6 - "Has Manners actually gotten in touch with you to express his dissapointment and that he is never going to post on here again?" - Yes, he has.

"I find that you have insulted alot of us - we have paid for your book, and want rarities" - That's interesting, I kind of assumed that people paid for my book because they wanted a book. As for lining my pockets, I'm not quite sure how rich you think it's possible for me to get from a 7.5% royalty on 3000 books!

"You have got LOTS of rarities that you havent revealed on here" - Oh Jesus, here we go again. Yes, I obviously have a couple of things that I got hold of during the course of researching the book - although not nearly as much as you probably think. Regardless, it's stuff that was given to me on the assumption that I would behave responsibly with it and not go round copying it for people, uploading it on the internet, flogging it on Ebay etc. That's not because I want to spent the rest of my days wanking over it in a cave like Gollum, but because - one again - it is NOT MY MUSIC TO GIVE AWAY. Can you not see that at all? The stuff I do feel it'd be OK for me to copy for people, I have - in fact, without going into specifics, you'd probably be surprisd by the amount of Pulp in circulation that is available thanks to me. By the same argument, clearly it would be completely inappropriate for me to start going on about the stuff I can't copy for people on this forum.

"i was at your book launch party, I PAID to get there to meet you" - I invited you (and lots of other people) because I thought you might want to come. Sorry if you felt put out by that in some way. If it'll make you feel any better, I'll refund your petrol money.

Precisely my point Frisko, people are going to ask, if they see something that they really want.

Sturdy, I couldnt really care less that you have more things than others, I am truely not arsed about that in the slightest - my problem lies with your attitude.

You didnt want to reply to my email - so that was ignorance.

You were snide in your comments "Well done everyone.", "For what it's worth, you've succeeded between yourselves in making Manners somewhat disinclined to post here again"

I took the time out to discuss and ask questions as to why you reacted the way you did and all we got back (at first) was....."I think that just about speaks for itself." Of course someone is going to be pissed off when someone cant be arsed to reply to an email, or a message on here.

And as to offering the petrol money, now your seriously taking the piss - I had you down as a decent person once, but these last few posts have really fucked me off. You also claim that I "Attacked you" on a public forum, how was this so? I asked questions for why you sent such a message on here, and you simply couldnt be arsed replying...... and then because I pulled you up on it, you reply again in an ignorant and arrogent manor. Whos attacking who now?

I simply was in defence of those who asked for the tracks , as if you dont ask - you dont get.....but then in comes sturdy with his size 12's with an ego the size of Blackpool Tower. It was uncalled for mark.

Now I apologise to anyone who has had to read this rant between me and sturdy, I feel its more a dig at me than anyone else - but at the end of the day, its an open forum, no one is gonna stop asking for things if they see that they want something mark.

How fucking tempted am I to leave this forum now, for YEARS I have used this forum, and now, its boiled down to this because someone else (not me......) asked for tracks. Justice eh?

Happy now?

I totally agree about the personal comments thing, but he wont even bother to reply to the email I sent him, so I cant express any kind of message to him appart from this message board