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25 years ago today Different Class was released. I queued up at the Warp shop on Division Street for their midnight opening. For my troubles I got a double sided print of the album covers signed by the band. I bought a cd edition with the interchangeable covers. Its a great memory. I knew all the songs on the album so well by that point that I hardly listened to it. 



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Her party might be falling apart but the Nandy is clued-up on her music:123026039_489119698714724_6359225451495985181_o.jpg



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https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20201104-pulps-different-class-the-album-that-defined-an-era

Pulps Different Class: The album that defined an era

 

Its 25 years since the release of Pulps Different Class. The albums stories of class division, illegal raves and uncertain futures reflect Britain then and now...

 

 

 



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Best interview ive read for some time. There is all this critical acclaim still for Different Class, why the actual fuck has nothing been celebrated for it by the band themselves? Im honestly really pissed that no reissue has come to light for this, yet His N Hers did?

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The USP of the twelve interchangeable sleeves alone would make a DC reissue sell pretty well on vinyl you'd imagine, even if Universal were tight and didn't do a proper box/bonus material. That original version is long out of print so a new edition would probably flog multiple times the amount of newly reissued Jarvis/Further Comps vinyl due out this month.

 

They could even have announced it this week, Jarvis' appearance on Later the other night bringing Pulp's name back into the public conscience a bit.


I think the biggest music label in the world holding the rights to Pulp's music makes it hard-going for any reissues to get off the ground, unfortunately. They have so many legendary artists on their roster who in turn need time and resources having their legacy work exploited commercially. Pulp probably fit in an awkward place, not quite top tier but still worth paying lip service to (hence the three main 90s album getting reissued again every few years or licensed out to a smaller label to do it).
Demon, Rough Trade et al. would likely give their eye teeth for the rights to Pulp's back-cat and they'd probably spend more time and love curating it too.



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Eamonn wrote:

I think the biggest music label in the world holding the rights to Pulp's music makes it hard-going for any reissues to get off the ground, unfortunately.


Maybe, but given suedes ease of re-releasing singles, CDs, LPs and compilations on a whim in the last decade, that may not be all bad.  And the upcoming six live Bowie LPs (as if the dozen that currently exist arent enough).

On the whole, Pulp have been pretty decent in just having the main LPs reissued on vinyl and three deluxe editions and just one hits compilation and not going down the road of reissuing an LP with a price tag of £250 like Elvis Costello...

 https://thesoundofvinyl.com/*/*/Armed-Forces-Exclusive-Super-Deluxe-Colour-Vinyl-Box-Set/6Q8C0000000 

If Pulp ever get a retrospective from Intro to We Love Life (ironically It, Freaks & Separations had a good revisit in 2012), hopefully it is on a par with the likes of The Divine Comedy reissues.



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I was thinking exactly that earlier - Suede, Blur and The Divine Comedy have literally released everything they recorded and I bet some of Pulp's demos/rehearsals are great. I remember Alex from Pulp People once telling me about a demo of "Party Hard" with totally different lyrics and I bet the Ian Broudie version of "Lipgloss" is great. There's also at least 10 unreleased songs from 1999-2000 which would be great to hear.

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Ian wrote:

I bet some of Pulp's demos/rehearsals are great.


 I think that is a given.  Live On, We Can Dance Again and Grandfathers Nursery were the sort of cast offs that many bands would have as singles.  There must be a lot of material not officially released post Hardcore that would possibly be a decent LP in its own right.

It may happen one day...



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I have to say, the Ian Broudie version of Lipgloss is not great. I heard it and it's definitely unfinished- only marginally different with the addition of some scratchy distorted guitar in the bridge and some emphasis and de-emphasis of the song's tracks. The remix of Pink Glove by Ed Buller would have been really interesting but who knows how far he got with it or if he even actually started it. What a great single that would have been.

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Ooh, how'dya hear it?

Curious on Buller's attempt at Live On (left off His'n'Hers) and a less produced version of Do You Remember (demo'd before the HnH album sessions). A remix of Pink Glove by him would need some work to rid it of its album bluster, the Peel Session is mesmerising in comparison.

Party Hard with different lyrics and less produced vocoding, I'm A Man without so much guitar-dirge, a more stripped-down Seductive Barry (Sex Cymbals), surely an early attempt at Hardcore the song somewhere....maybe TIH reduxed, just maybe you are the one.

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You didn't win that auction a couple of years back, did you?
(A DAT of the Ian Broudie remix was sold on eBay)

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Sleeve wrote:

I have to say, the Ian Broudie version of Lipgloss is not great. I heard it and it's definitely unfinished- only marginally different with the addition of some scratchy distorted guitar in the bridge and some emphasis and de-emphasis of the song's tracks. The remix of Pink Glove by Ed Buller would have been really interesting but who knows how far he got with it or if he even actually started it. What a great single that would have been.


 God id give my left testicle to hear this. confuse



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I didn't win the auction, sorry. It went to a Spanish bidder. I messaged the seller and was very polite but they asked me to promise not to distribute it as the buyer would probably be unhappy- I don't have a file of it, I'm afraid and it is very underwhelming. It was interesting how Buller partly obliterated the synth sounds Pulp used on DYRTFT live and made it more of a guitar track when he was otherwise (commendably) keen on pushing the electronic elements of their sound. It always reminded me of the production on U2's Joshua Tree. The stylophone on Pink Glove is just superb though- amazing what a bit of reverb will do- I never understood why the band didn't run the stylo through it when playing live. I would like to have heard She's a Lady with violin on it and some live drums instead of a machine but Ed was obviously quite strict with them!



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It would still be interesting to hear, underwhelming or not..
The Demo '89 remains the recording i would really like to hear...
In other news, our Jarv is on Sunday brunch next week in case anyone is interested..
Oh, and happy birthday DC..

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I agree with Jason, I still wouldn't mind hearing it. Same goes for The Demo '89

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Anything unreleased Pulp is a must hear - no matter how different or not it be. Look at the 2 versions of Death Comes To Town... not much difference. Anything where Broudie and Jarv have collaborated together needs to be heard.

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That '89 demo is a mystery. Nick can't remember recording it. Alan Smyth, who you'd think would be the person to benefit most from hearing it considering he started producing an album with them the following month, wasn't given a copy - all he had as reference when they started work was a practice tape from the garage. Maybe they just decided it wasn't very good?

The Broudie version of Lipgloss wouldn't be top of my list, but I'd love to hear it all the same.

God what a bunch of nerds we all are. Milestone anniversary of the Big Album that made a huge impact on most of us all those years ago, and we've barely got anything to say about it. Obscure unreleased scraps that we'll probably never get to hear though, get in there!

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Very funny Sturdy..
I guess the muted celebratory attitude towards DC is largely because the lp has already been over analysed, over explained, studied and universally accepted as a fine piece of work..
What more can any of us add?
Does it really need another review?
Another redux, minimal available unheard material to justify another upgrade..
I don't see the point, is it really worth it?

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Did a Separations demo session happen at all then?! ie Who supplied the info that's on Pulpwiki (originally on PulpPeople) - presumably Mr Webber?

It would be quite amusing for Mark or Alex Deck if they came on here and saw how much we torture ourselves over the Pulp recording history and what we haven't heard...
It must be pretty unique for a high-profile band to be arsed to maintain such a thorough list - Sturdy, do you know the reasons/origin for it on the Pulp website in the first place?

But yes, geeks one and all. Proper order!

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JASON wrote:

Very funny Sturdy..
I guess the muted celebratory attitude towards DC is largely because the lp has already been over analysed, over explained, studied and universally accepted as a fine piece of work..
What more can any of us add?
Does it really need another review?
Another redux, minimal available unheard material to justify another upgrade..
I don't see the point, is it really worth it?


 

Agreed on the first part of your post. On the second - Yes because I would love an aperture vinyl edition that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and I would love to hear the remaining unreleased Axis demos. 



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Eamonn wrote:

Did a Separations demo session happen at all then?! ie Who supplied the info that's on Pulpwiki (originally on PulpPeople) - presumably Mr Webber?

It would be quite amusing for Mark or Alex Deck if they came on here and saw how much we torture ourselves over the Pulp recording history and what we haven't heard...
It must be pretty unique for a high-profile band to be arsed to maintain such a thorough list - Sturdy, do you know the reasons/origin for it on the Pulp website in the first place?

But yes, geeks one and all. Proper order!


The session list was originally in issue 2 of Disco-Very before being put on the website. I guess Mark put it together (with help from Jarvis?) back in the days when both had a bit more time for such things.



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That it was still updated to 2001 is pretty impressive. Would have thought Mark/Jarvis wouldn't be bothered by then.

By listing all the new songs publicly that they were recording maybe it was to keep Island at bay when Hardcore and WLL were taking ages to finish and advances were beginning to dwindle...



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If I remember rightly, the Hardcore sessions were added a couple of years after the fact. Possibly also the case for WLL.

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That info was pretty spotty too - I think I filled in quite a few gaps when compiling the info that ended up on PulpWiki (originally an appendix to the book but the publishers said no!)

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