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Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjCj0tPEEYk

(Massive thanks to nrb602 for posting this on the Wiki, and to the original uploader of the video)

I noticed on the PulpWiki that a partial copy of a Pulp gig from 1982 has surfaced on YouTube. It's pretty likely that this is a recording of the gig at the Hallamshire Hotel on 28 February 1982 based on the setlist (which Pulpwiki suggests could have been derived from a recording).

This is the setlist of that gig (with the songs included in this recording in bold/italics:

  • Thrash
  • Please Don't Worry
  • Zhivago
  • What Do You Say?
  • Wishful Thinking
  • Turkey Mambo Momma
  • Why Live?
  • How Could You Leave Me?
  • Refuse To Be Blind
  • Teen Angst
  • (What's Wrong With) My Girl?

Another wonderful glimpse at very early Pulp, following on from Jason's uploads from last year (for which I am still super-grateful).



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wow, thanks for the heads up!

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Blimey. Yes, this is indeed from the Hallamshire 28th Feb 1982. Taped by Murray Fenton, who was later the guitarist in Artery amongst other bands. Murray played me this in about 1997 or 8 when I interviewed him and this is definitely the same tape - you can tell from the way the speed fluctuates, think his tape battery was running down!

No idea how this has ended up on YouTube or why half the songs are missing. It doesn't have appear to have been uploaded by Murray, anyway.

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My Girl, by the way, is unique in being Jamie Pinchbeck's only songwriting contribution!



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Wow!

Is it me or does this sound like "...My Girl?"





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Video uploader (and wiki editor) here! My friend and I combed through Soulseek and other archives for other Pulp recordings (specifically of this set order) and found nothing. The only thing disproving the set from being the Hallamshire is that the track number from Teen Angst and My Girl, were Tracks 9 and 10, NOT 10 and 11. I KNOW that the rest of the set exists somewhere as the tracks were numbered (unless someone has the same suspicion for a specific set as we do). At the end of Thrash however, Jarvis does say that Please Don't Worry is the next song, but that could be any set of that somewhat active era for early Pulp.

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Process of elimination:

It's not Bath Uni from 16th January because "Zhivago" is different and "...My Girl" wasn't played
It's not the Limit from 13th April because "How Could You?" is different and neither "Zhivago", "...My Girl" nor "Thrash" were played
I severely doubt that it's the Marples from 15th / 18th February because that was described in the article a few years ago as good enough quality to release
We don't know of any other recordings from 1982

I'd say it's from the Hallamshire (28th Feb) myself because:
A recording is likely to exist
There's no other known performance of "...My Girl"
"How Could You?" sounds a bit messy compared to the Limit version performed 6 weeks later when they'd had more chance to practice it

Finally, how good is "Zhivago"? Whilst I can understand them shelving it when they recorded "It" in 1983, I'm surprised that they never attempted to record it when they did the Rotherham demo. Presumably they were limited in terms of time and money.

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It's absolutely definitely Hallamshire 28.2.82.
I've heard the full tape and it's unmistakable.

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from the bunch of tracks leaked by Jason last year, from what gigs are How Could You and Teen Angst?
I know the other ones, but somehow I didn't write down the dates for these two.

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Freek wrote:

from the bunch of tracks leaked by Jason last year, from what gigs are How Could You and Teen Angst?
I know the other ones, but somehow I didn't write down the dates for these two.


I'm sure they were either from the gig at Bath University on 16 January 1982 (same as Crabs) or from the gig at The Limit on 13 April 1982. If I had to guess, I'd say Teen Angst was from Bath Uni and How Could You? was from The Limit, but that is a supposition based on the audio quality (Teen Angst has the same sort of 'sound' as Crabs to me) and that, to me, How Could You? sounds further along in the recording that Jason sent through than it does in the Hallamshire recording. I suppose the only one with a definitive answer would be Jason himself, but that's my best guess.



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Ian wrote:

Finally, how good is "Zhivago"? Whilst I can understand them shelving it when they recorded "It" in 1983, I'm surprised that they never attempted to record it when they did the Rotherham demo. Presumably they were limited in terms of time and money.


 I agree with this! Zhivago is probably one of the best (alongside Please Don't Worry and Crabs) of the pre-It era in my opinion. It's very compact and packs just enough of a punch!

Could I also possibly get a link/location on where to get some of the files linked a year ago? I'm mainly looking for a live version of any of the John Peel songs or You Go First/You've Got A Face.



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I'm curious to know where the uploader got this from?
100% Hallamshire show..


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Hours of searching for music on Soulseek by my friend. I don't think he knew what it was at the time, but he downloaded it and sent it to me. I then downloaded the software to look for anything else but the other four songs, but found nothing. I had yet to see this upload anywhere else so I uploaded it. At the time I was still sort of unfamiliar with this place. 



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Nice find.
Odd that the other tracks are missing though..

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Oh...and...
The wiki setlist is absolutely accurate, however, I've never heard a copy that includes 'why live?
He introduces it but it cuts to 'how could you?
That would explain the track numbers confusion..


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Interesting that its appeared on Soulseek of all places, used to be a haven for stuff that place. That and Audiogalaxy

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Does this mean that all of the eleven otherwise unrecorded Pulp tracks from those four 1982 setlists (Jan in Bath, Feb at the Hallamshire, and Apr at The Limit) now circulate in some form?

Checking through, it looks like there were:

Thrash - Bath, Hallamshire
Zhivago - Bath, Hallamshire
How Could You? - Bath, Hallamshire, Limit
Teen Angst - Bath, Hallamshire, Limit
Why Live? - Bath, Hallamshire
I Scrubbed the Crabs that Killed Sheffield - Bath
What's Wrong with my Girl? - Hallamshire
Red Letter Day - Limit
Barefoot in the Park - Limit
You've Got A Face - Limit
You Go First- Limit

'cos that's a whole unreleased album's worth, for anyone who wants to take on the task!



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I don't think "Why Live?", "Red Letter Day" and "Barefoot in the Park" are in circulation.

Also, does anyone know if recordings of "Heat of the Day", "I Wave You Goodbye" and "Mr Morality" exist?

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Heat of the Day was on the Spice Demo and Mr. Morality was allegedly recorded during the It sessions, and the only set I could find with all three was the Crucible Theatre in late 82, after Dalton and Pinchbeck's departures. Unless we find that there was any recordings from the Crucible or frankly any recordings from 1983, the recorded versions are the likeliest to circulate.



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Yes, the Spice Demo exists in full. No, I've not heard it!

I don't think any of those 1983 gigs were taped or, if they were, they survive. Ive never even heard an inkling that they were recorded.

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February Limit??
There's a set list but certainly no recording Stephen..

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Based on information from this forum and the PulpWiki, for reference purposes, I've done a rather rushed write-up of what exists (or may exist) recordings-wise of pre-1984 Pulp:

Feb/Mar 1980 - City School, Sheffield
Recording may exist - a cassette recording was made by a school friend, but they couldn't find it as of 1997. Another recording was also made by Jarvis's teacher, however apparently this was taped over shortly after.

7 Aug 1981 - Ken Patten demo
A tape of this demo was given to John Peel by Jarvis, which led to Pulp's first Peel session. 'What Do You Say?' was released on the 'Your Secret's Safe With Us' compilation LP by Statik Records in 1982. The rest have not been circulated.

7 Nov 1981 - Peel session
All four songs from this session were commercially released on the 'Pulp: The Peel Sessions' CD in 2006.

16 Jan 1982 - Bath University
Recording exists, following tracks have appeared online: 'Please Don't Worry', 'Zhivago', 'What Do You Say', 'Teen Angst', 'I Scrubbed the Crabs that Killed Sheffield'.

15 Feb 1982 - Marples, Sheffield
Recording exists on 7.5ips stereo half-track tape. Owned by Jamie Smith. In 2019, there was talk of this tape potentially going up for auction, but as of July 2020, this has not yet happened.

28 Feb 1982 - Hallamshire Hotel, Sheffield
Recording exists, and was partially circulated in July 2020. The following tracks have appeared online: 'Thrash', 'Zhivago', 'How Could You?', 'Teen Angst', '(What's Wrong With) My Girl?' The full recording may be missing the song 'Why Live?'

13 Apr 1982 - The Limit, Sheffield
Recording exists, following tracks have appeared online: 'How Could You?', 'You've Got A Face', 'You Go First'.

18 Apr 1982 - Rotherham Demo
None of the songs on this demo are in circulation. A write-up of this demo is included in the book 'Truth and Beauty: The Story of Pulp', so the recording presumably still exists (or did so at the time of the book's writing). It is confirmed that a copy of this demo does still exist in listenable quality, however the owner isn't willing to provide a copy as they didn't feel Jarvis would want it to be made available.

22 Aug 1982 - Spice Demo
One song is definitely in circulation: 'Sickly Grin' was included in the Caff Records 'My Legendary Girlfriend' 7" single in 1992. The version of 'Sink or Swim' from this demo is probably the one included in the 2012 reissue of 'It'. It seems that the tape may have deteriorated somewhat, as both 'Sickly Grin' and 'Sink or Swim' exhibit the same sort of tape distortion.

27 Nov - 10 Dec 1982 - It LP sessions
In addition to the songs included in 'It' and the 'My Lighthouse' single, there were three additional tracks from this session. 'Please Don't Worry' was included in the 2012 reissue of 'It'. 'Sink or Swim' and 'Mr Morality' were left unmixed, and are not in circulation.

16-21 Feb 1983 - Joplin's Wine Bar, Low Pavement, Chesterfield
An attempt at breaking the world record for longest non-stop cabaret, there is an outside chance that footage of Pulp appearing at this event may exist, as it was covered by the ITV regional news show Calendar. There were hundreds of acts performing at this event, so it's very unlikely that Pulp were featured.

4-5 Jun 1983 - Everybody's Problem session
Both songs were released on the 'Everybody's Problem' single.

Edit: Added some additional information provided by Stephen; many thanks. :)

-- Edited by salmon92 on Thursday 23rd of July 2020 01:20:10 PM



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Thanks!! I love lists like that

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Feb/Mar 1980 - City School, Sheffield
Recording may exist - a cassette recording was made by a school friend, but they couldn't find it as of 1997.

> Made by a teacher, I'd thought! I think we can assume this is long lost now.

7 Aug 1981 - Ken Patten demo
A tape of this demo was given to John Peel by Jarvis, which led to Pulp's first Peel session. 'What Do You Say?' was released on the 'Your Secret's Safe With Us' compilation LP by Statik Records in 1982. The rest have not been circulated.

> It's not believed that even the band have a full copy of this.

7 Nov 1981 - Peel session
All four songs from this session were commercially released on the 'Pulp: The Peel Sessions' CD in 2006.

16 Jan 1982 - Bath University
Recording exists, following tracks have appeared online: 'Please Don't Worry', 'Zhivago', 'I Scrubbed the Crabs that Killed Sheffield'. Recordings of 'How Could You?' and 'Teen Angst' may also have appeared online, however these could also have been from the Limit gig (13 Apr 82).

> The sound quality between the Bath and Limit gigs is a little different, so could be used to differentiate what's from where. If I remember rightly, when some of the other songs were uploaded last year, the uploader noted which venues they'd come from.

15 Feb 1982 - Marples, Sheffield
Recording exists on 7.5ips stereo half-track tape. Owned by Jamie Smith. In 2019, there was talk of this tape potentially going up for auction, but as of July 2020, this has not yet happened.

> Indeed. A sore point, this. Numerous attempts have been made to talk to this guy, but we still don't even have the setlist!

28 Feb 1982 - Hallamshire Hotel, Sheffield
Recording exists, and was partially circulated in July 2020. The following tracks have appeared online: 'Thrash', 'Zhivago', 'How Could You?', 'Teen Angst', '(What's Wrong With) My Girl?' The full recording may be missing the song 'Why Live?'

> That's my understanding of it. Possible the point at which the tape was turned around or something.

13 Apr 1982 - The Limit, Sheffield
Recording exists, following tracks have appeared online: 'You've Got A Face', 'You Go First'. Recordings of 'How Could You?' and 'Teen Angst' may also have appeared online, however these could also have been from the Bath University gig (16 Jan 82).

18 Apr 1982 - Rotherham Demo
None of the songs on this demo are in circulation. A write-up of this demo is included in the book 'Truth and Beauty: The Story of Pulp', so the recording presumably still exists (or did so at the time of the book's writing).

> Happy to divulge some more info on this. I was in contact with someone who is on this tape some time ago. The tape still exists, and is listenable, but the owner wasn't willing to copy it as they didn't feel Jarvis would necessarily want it being made available.

22 Aug 1982 - Spice Demo
One song is definitely in circulation: 'Sickly Grin' was included in the Caff Records 'My Legendary Girlfriend' 7" single in 1992. The version of 'Sink or Swim' from this demo is probably the one included in the 2012 reissue of 'It'. It seems that the tape may have deteriorated somewhat, as both 'Sickly Grin' and 'Sink or Swim' exhibit the same sort of tape distortion.

> See above!

27 Nov - 10 Dec 1982 - It LP sessions
In addition to the songs included in 'It' and the 'My Lighthouse' single, there were three additional tracks from this session. 'Please Don't Worry' was included in the 2012 reissue of 'It'. 'Sink or Swim' and 'Mr Morality' were left unmixed, and are not in circulation.

16-21 Feb 1983 - Joplin's Wine Bar, Low Pavement, Chesterfield
An attempt at breaking the world record for longest non-stop cabaret, there is an outside chance that footage of Pulp appearing at this event may exist, as it was covered by the ITV regional news show Calendar. There were hundreds of acts performing at this event, so it's very unlikely that Pulp were featured.

4-5 Jun 1983 - Everybody's Problem session
Both songs were released on the 'Everybody's Problem' single.



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