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Before the small reunion tour started, it seemed like Jarvis was writing some new material for Pulp. Then after the tour Jarvis mentioned it wasn't going to happen. It seemed like the tour was setup for them to start recording again.



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I remember a board post from years ago where somebody said that Pulp were a great live band but just couldn't record very well. Looking back at every album besides "Different Class" I would be inclined to agree. I'm certainly not slagging the albums off but if you take "This is Hardcore" for example, they probably had a bigger budget than ever before considering the success of its predecessor but it took a lot longer to record. Also, they discarded at least an album's worth of material during the recording process for "We Love Life". I think it's a miracle that the band lasted this long. I mean, for example, if Candida (arguably the next rank down from Russell) decided to leave during the recording of "We Love Life", would they have carried on?

I'm guessing the band look back at these processes as very frustrating plus there's always the matter of sales; they decided to leave Island due to the much reduced deal that they were offering. Also, a new Pulp album would probably only sell more than the first three albums but much less than the others.

Jarvis is presumably content releasing his solo material whenever he sees fit - no band to answer to, no deadlines, cheaper recording, higher profit margins and so forth.

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Agree with Ian. Also I heard there are some quarrels in the band (again) during the reunion tour. I believe it is one of the reasons.

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Steve, Jarvis and Nick spoke warmly about the group during the reunion and may well have been up for it but Candida and Mark seemed less enamoured by the prospect of new music although I wonder if they enjoyed the After You session with James Murphy and if that softened their resistance at all  ( I spoke to Mark after the premiere of the film in 2014 but forgot to ask him that specifically but he did rule out any new music by Pulp). Apparently not, I guess they still would have had to write and rehearse twenty or so new songs before the recording and production of an LP and then all the marketing and promoting side which, based on the band's reluctance to do practically any interviews during the reunion, was always likely to be a demotivating factor.

They're not spring chickens anymore, less likely to put up with the interminable writing and recording periods of the past. The pay-off from doing live shows instead is so much easier and instant.

Thankfully Jarvis and Steve still have the music "bug", the latter now more from the technical and production side, sometimes second best is all you're gonna get, somebody told me.



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By the end of 2012, Mark was starting a family so, I think maybe the idea of being away in a studio, when you've are about to/have become a parent for the first time is a bit of no brainer, especially recalling the difficulties Russell apparently went though juggling a young family and touring/recording. Plus he had a lot of film curation projects and film literature projects in the offing, so I just don't think it was practical.

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I'm kinda sad they didn't release another record, i was really optimistic back then.

But then again, i cant really listen to the new version of "After You". It's pretty cheap and uninspired, like a bad techno-electro-dance version of a very melancholic song, kinda ruined it for me and i always listen to the demo rather than this.

Maybe the time was not right, and anyway, Jarvis is releasing a record soon hopefuly and gave us the amazing Room 29.

I disagree with the comment about them being not very good in the studio. His and Hers and TIH are masterpieces, maybe they took a lot of effort and tensions to record, but most great record do. Pulp being (apparently) a democratic band, it was probably 5/6 times more difficult than when there is only one leader in charge. Put 5/6 people and a producer, all with their vision of how a song should sound, in a room for 3 to 6 months, can only lead to tension really :D

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I disagree with the comment about them being not very good in the studio. His and Hers and TIH are masterpieces, maybe they took a lot of effort and tensions to record, but most great record do. Pulp being (apparently) a democratic band, it was probably 5/6 times more difficult than when there is only one leader in charge. Put 5/6 people and a producer, all with their vision of how a song should sound, in a room for 3 to 6 months, can only lead to tension really :D


I agree with that but I wasn't saying that they were never any good with the songs themselves, more that they may look back at recording sessions as particular low points.

Also, I was just listening to the new Sleeper song (and it's pretty good) and it got me thinking: effectively every one of Pulp's mid-90s peers have released material in the past few years; Blur, Suede, Ash, The Divine Comedy, the Manics, even Lush gave us a great EP. There seems to be a market for it but I seriously doubt it will ever happen.



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andy wrote:

I disagree with the comment about them being not very good in the studio. His and Hers and TIH are masterpieces, maybe they took a lot of effort and tensions to record, but most great record do. Pulp being (apparently) a democratic band, it was probably 5/6 times more difficult than when there is only one leader in charge. Put 5/6 people and a producer, all with their vision of how a song should sound, in a room for 3 to 6 months, can only lead to tension really :D


I agree with that but I wasn't saying that they were never any good with the songs themselves, more that they may look back at recording sessions as particular low points.

Also, I was just listening to the new Sleeper song (and it's pretty good) and it got me thinking: effectively every one of Pulp's mid-90s peers have released material in the past few years; Blur, Suede, Ash, The Divine Comedy, the Manics, even Lush gave us a great EP. There seems to be a market for it but I seriously doubt it will ever happen.


 

There is absolutely a 90s revival, it's true in music, tv shows, clothing... Pulp could really make a huge tour now if they wanted to. Maybe Jarvis' new record will be more Pulpy.



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I know mid way through Jarvis said he was writing stuff in his little black book, and hopefully there'd be more stuff in than nonsense - something along those lines when asked in 2012(?) about new Pulp.

At the end of the reunion when After You came out, although it sounded a little underproduced (as to be expected when done on the Coachella Cruise with James Murphy producing a kinda off the cuff version) and they went on Jonathan Ross, I kinda thought it had to lead on to more stuff, that they wouldn't do a pretty big TV appearance for one final track then go away again, but that's exactly what happened.

There was an interview after the reunion where Jarvis said that although they haven't ruled out any further activity, he knew that if they did return they would have to 'do some jams', now I've looked for this interview since and can't find it but I'm sure it's in the history of this forum somewhere. I guess it just didn't come to pass - Nick seemed the most eager to carry on, but now it's been 6 years so I very much doubt we'll be hearing from them again. I wouldn't be overjoyed if they reformed again without anything new especially after being run through the ringer by The Stone Roses for the past 7 years only to release two tracks and fall out again.

I guess Suede have shown how to really do the reunion, as although they were treading lightly at first, they got back in over the course of 3 albums and it seems their latest one has been the best yet, with a big amount of coverage and touring. I'd have loved that kinda return from Pulp and think they would have had it in them to make a good record.



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The best of these reunion has been Blur to me so far. I never cared much for Suede, but Blur did it right. With all their members, worked on new songs, did a proper (and pretty good) record, a relatively big tour and then vanished again to do their own stuff. That would have suited Pulp, not to have the pressure to do it all again and again. To see after each album where to go, or stop.

But It won't ever happen.

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The best of these reunion has been Blur to me so far. I never cared much for Suede, but Blur did it right. With all their members, worked on new songs, did a proper (and pretty good) record, a relatively big tour and then vanished again to do their own stuff. That would have suited Pulp, not to have the pressure to do it all again and again. To see after each album where to go, or stop.

But It won't ever happen.


The Blur album was the greatest payoff, however it didn't look like it was happening quite a few times over the course of the reunion, and it did take like 6 years into the reunion to appear. Damon kept recording bits then sacking it off and saying it might never happen, and it took Graham to take those demos from the recording session in China away and work on them with Damon's permission. But it turned out one of their best albums IMO.



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Saw The Insatiable Ones Suede film last night followed by a band q&a. It was really interesting hearing them admit that they aren't good communicators and it took a scene in the film where they're all stood together for Brett to apologise to them about how he let his drug addiction almost destroy the band - that happened over fifteen years ago but he was only dealing with it now. It was quite poignant and powerful.
I can imagine Pulp not being great communicators either but I'd be surprised to see Jarvis have some on-camera confessional moment with the band.

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