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Sorry for the off topic post but some Pulp fans are also Suede fans. It's great to hear that they are releasing a new album in September, I loved the last two and this one has been described as a "genuinely progressive, expansive and definitive body of work". I can't wait



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I've tried to get into the last couple but they haven't clicked yet. I should give them more time. Their first two number amongst my very favourites. 'Coming Up' is pretty ace too, but I think I tend to feel that their work from that period on lacks the same level of sincerity, and can be grandiliquent without hitting the same capital-R Romantic heights. Maybe I'm pining for that particular stretch of my youth. Dunno. I'll listen some more - I've only heard good things about these records

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I really liked the last album, especially the 90's vibe of Like Kids. Didn't like the one before it tho'.

Love the first two, plus Sci-Fi Lullabies & Head Music. Not so keen on Coming Up, A New Morning or Bloodsports.

Looking forward to hearing new material.



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Further thoughts on that - I know Head Music isn't popular. Possibly it has a special place for me as it came out soon after I got into music, so was the first Suede record I had. (I started buying records in '98, DC was my first & TIH 3rd).



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I love Head Music too! Electricity was the first single I heard from them and it still blows me away. If they cut a few songs from that album it'd be awesome!! But it still is awesome with those songs too.

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The first Suede album I bought, thanks to the budget price, was the b-sides collection "Sci Fi Lullabies", I had previously bought some of the "Coming Up" singles and just assumed I had got in lucky by getting some good b-sides but the first disc of "Sci Fi Lullabies" was something else altogether; it convinced me to save up and buy the rest of their albums.

"Head Music", I loved it at the time but looking back, it's kind of like their "This is Hardcore"... give or take the lyrics of "Savoir Faire", the first songs are great but after "She's In Fashion" it goes downhill then finally picks up with "Indian Strings" and "He's Gone" (the closing track really wasn't worth it, though).

As for "Coming Up", it's my least favourite Suede album. Yes, there are some great moments on there but it's as if they were playing it just a little bit too safe. Imagine if Pulp had released "Different Class" without "I Spy" and "FEELINGCALLEDLOVE". There were some decent b-sides that should have really been on the album. 



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Dog Man Star was so special - would've loved to hear what Butler had in mind for it (and seemingly walked out over). I like the economy of the finished album, but then that's how I've grown to love it. I wonder if the apparent largesse would have added or detracted from its power?

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He wanted Chris Thomas as producer but Nude wouldn't pay for him. Hard to think less than a year later Island were happy to fork-out for him to do Different Class when Pulp were not yet seen in Suede's league commercially. I know Suede/Nude had backing from Sony internationally but who knows, their US tour in autumn '93 when they were usurped by support act The Cranberries, may have meant the purse strings being held somewhat firm when Suede recorded DMS in spring'94.
Musically, I think Bernard was listening to Dusty Springfield and Scott Walker a lot, whether that may have informed his sound preferences who knows. Can't imagine Chris Thomas' pop-sheen working well with the gothic-grandeur of the songs on that album, and Ed Buller's love of reverb actually suits the mood in a way, that echoey/underwater thing, well on some of the songs anyway. Like bits of His'n'Hers (though not all - his shortcomings there partially made Pulp ditch him after that album).

There's a fantastic article here on the making of Dog Man Star and the drama around it, probably my favourite piece of writing on any of the records I love: http://thequietus.com/articles/16540-suede-dog-man-star-reissue-anniversary-review

Funnily enough, I live just around the corner from where Brett did when he wrote his parts for that album. And my street is called Stanhope Road. It was density...I mean, destiny.



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Well, now it's here. What do you think?

On first impressions, I think that it's better than the previous 2 albums. Not sure if I will go as far as saying it is better than "Dog Man Star" but it's certainly not far off.

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Had one listen full way through at work today. Some nice moments but almost every song has the same overwrought mood that has typified their comeback. Brett doesn't have the wit or humour of Jarvis which is fine but it can make his lyrics heavy-going and a bit ridiculous especially when he challenges himself so much with his vocal range.

Having said that, writing a pop song about his child had the potential to be awful, instead they knock-out their best chorus in 20 years imo and the lyrics are really moving (Life Is Golden - iffy verses/bridge though).

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I'm reading Brett's book at the moment 'Coal Black Mornings' - but have never taken to the suede 2.1 version. I tried - cause I love the idea of them being back and being a huge fan - well up until Head Music. I can live with that. Made 4 incredible albums - and those B Sides....wow...

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I'm reading Brett's book at the moment 'Coal Black Mornings' - but have never taken to the suede 2.1 version. I tried - cause I love the idea of them being back and being a huge fan - well up until Head Music. I can live with that. Made 4 incredible albums - and those B Sides....wow...


 It was a good read. Lead me to buy Barnett's book though, which I think I preferred overall; authorised, but he was clearly permitted to say it as he saw. 



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Different beasts though, Anderson clearly concentrated on his early life up to the point Suede were signed. I imagine he winces at some of the stuff he told Barnett for the authorised biog of the band. It will be interesting if there is a sequel to Coal Black Mornings - he says he wrote it for his little boy when he's old enough to read it. The drugs, success and comedown years might be too close to the bone for him to recount if he feels his son will discover it some day. 

It must be strange for Jarvis' son Albert now that he's well into his teens and is only ever a couple of clicks away from seeing what his dad used to sing about, or, still sings about! Being half-French he may be more enlightened than the average teen who would rather get their baby toe chopped-off than hearing one of their parents pining for sex through the medium of song (or any medium).



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Enjoyed his book. He was pretty matter of fact about things - and I liked how he emphasized that they had to work at it - working with Bernard to get to the level he was already at. Found him quite humble - which was conflicting with how I thought he might be. 4 stars.

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Blue Hour is the best of the reunion albums I'd say. I'm looking forward to hearing it again.

Funny how every new release since Dog Man Star has been described as a follow-on from Dog Man Star or somehow its equal... Again, I wouldn't say it matches that album in any of its dimensions, but it has a few delicious moments.

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One of my most fav things ever is 'She' going into 'Beautiful Ones' - Perfect music.

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One of my most fav things ever is 'She' going into 'Beautiful Ones' - Perfect music.


 Oooh: 'segues' are a good topic. Is there a term for the perfect sequencing of songs? Sometimes it is just sooooo right. And it's funny it being the gap between songs rather than actual music per se; witchspace or something.

The last three on Radiohead's The Bends have always done it for me. Five Years into Soul Love on Ziggy Stardust. Suede are pretty good at it though, especially their first album, and Asphalt into Still Life on the second. They could always pair a rich, thick, epic track with something pretty raw and dirty but kicking.



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Is there a term?

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