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Re the Bowie Five Years box set - it's not aimed at casual fans who may be missing some of those Bowie albums. The inclusion of the Re:Call rare discs is a clear ploy to entice big fans to shell-out for the product. They know many of those people probably have five different copies of Ziggy Stardust already but a lavish box presented nicely with a few rarities chucked in will help tempt some of those fans. Therefore it didn't make commercial sense to issue Re:Call separately.

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Eamonn wrote:

Re the Bowie Five Years box set - it's not aimed at casual fans who may be missing some of those Bowie albums. The inclusion of the Re:Call rare discs is a clear ploy to entice big fans to shell-out for the product. They know many of those people probably have five different copies of Ziggy Stardust already but a lavish box presented nicely with a few rarities chucked in will help tempt some of those fans. Therefore it didn't make commercial sense to issue Re:Call separately.


I have four copies of Ziggy Stardust and don't need another two which are the same 40th anniversary LP and DVD that I bought four years ago.  

http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/reviews/david-bowie-ziggy-stardust-40th-anniversary-cd-and-lpdvd-reissue/

They have released almost all of the LPs separately (all at about £10 on amazon right now),  and I guess that Re:call will eventually appear.  Probably just ahead of the next lavish box set covering Diamond Dogs to STATIONTOSTATION.

 

That said, I would buy a Pulp 5 LP + double rarities LP despite having Different Class, Hardcore and His n Hers on CD, deluxe CD and LP, some more than once.  



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There's nothing really, really interesting on that Re:call 1 set anyway.

This thread has made me think about possible ways of exploiting the Pulp back catskogue. Those deluxe editions from a decade ago are some of the best ever done in my opinion. However, there's still a fair amount of Radio sessions still outstanding that I would love to have in better quality than my boots. Especially those two Hit The North sessions.

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Cripes, "from a decade ago"!
I was a teenager when I started coming here, I'm 31 now...where does the time go?!
More to the point, I have the new vinyls but I can't report back yet as I've been on late shift so haven't had a suitable window to listen properly (i.e. out loud.)
I agree the '09 (from memory!) reissues were excellent, it's a pity they aren't deluxe edition vinyls! (Like the Fire reissues which had almost everything.)
I am lucky enough to have a good original copy of the Intro 12" which I got on ebay many moons ago tho'.

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Oh no, '06 silly me! Sorry I didn't finish work until 00:40 & have had wine since then ;)

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There's nothing really, really interesting on that Re:call 1 set anyway.


I know it is mostly mono and single mixes which I could do without, but I have downloaded Amsterdam off side 2 of the second LP which is pretty hard to find.  Only time I believe it was ever released was on the ryko of Pin Ups which is the one Bowie album of the 1970s I refused to buy.  Until a couple of weeks ago, that is.

 



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...there's still a fair amount of Radio sessions still outstanding that I would love to have in better quality than my boots. Especially those two Hit The North sessions.


White Stripes used to upload various concerts at http://whitestripes.net/downloads.php, but stopped many years ago.  I guess that it would be a lot of effort to release material with no payback.

It is a shame that We Love Life never got the deluxe treatment, given how many sessions there were post Hardcore and how many unreleased songs there were.



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I had my head in the sand when the re-issues came out, and didn't know about them until August, when the only album left in my local HMV's was His n Hers.  I finally got a vinyl copy of We Love Life today (thanks to ArrGee), which I have wanted for years, but couldn't afford.  The only one I haven't got (so far) is Different Class - I'm trying to resist it, as I'm skint, but it is hard to resist Pulp.

I don't know anything about technical stuff, but it has been really exciting to listen to them, as they sound different from the CD's to me (I don't claim they are better, just different).  The bass seems more prominent, the vocals more intimate.  It has been good to hear freshness in albums that I have known intimately for years.  Though, you can never recapture that first thrill of new music - like the terror and awe of hearing This Is Hardcore (the single) for the first time, it seemed so alien to my teenage mind.

There could still be a chance of a deluxe CD of We Love Life, and I am still hopeful.  I agree with lots of the posters that mass market CD's are about dead now, and there is little financial incentive for major labels, but there are still some nice re-issues coming out which are niche but expensive (a re-issue of The Associates 'Sulk' came out this year; the Cherry Red stuff...though they may be wary of another Pulp release; bands own label releases like British Sea Power 'Decline...', and Ride 'Nowhere', ).  So, even if Island aren't interested, someone may be.  When W.L.L. came out interest in Pulp was waning, and I suppose Pulp's interest in Pulp was waning, but it feels like their status grows year by year.  Okay, I may be biased.

By the way, I'm a new poster here - I've been using the site as a resource for a couple of years (thanks to all contributors for all you've taught me about Pulp), but was too shy to post before now.  I was a late comer to Pulp, and didn't notice them until they were everywhere in 1995, yet already that is 21 years ago.  A lot of the music I listened to as a teenager seems so dull and trite now, but not Pulp, never Pulp.



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I agree with lots of the posters that mass market CD's are about dead now, and there is little financial incentive for major labels, 


 This gets bandied about a lot on quite a few forums I frequent and I'm never actually sure whether it's true or just people trying to convince themselves that it's true. I only mention it as I've seen a few things recently that go way over the top in terms of CD packages. I'm thinking firstly about those ridiculously deluxe The Verve boxsets that recently came out. It seems to me that the market for outrageous large boxsets must be stronger than ever. Simply look at Bob Dylan's forthcoming 36(!) disc boxset of 1966 live recordings. In fact just look at this website: http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/

Perhaps these deluxe sets are now a niche product? But surely if there was no money in them they wouldn't produce them? That's right isn't it?



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As part of a box-set thing, CDs sell because of all the unreleased content gathered together. Add assorted memorabilia to pad out the product and the price can be bumped up to where a nice margin can be made. I think some recent price points are taking the piss slightly.
Pink Floyd are putting a three hundred quids worth of early years recordings super dooper deluxe thing out next month full of CDs. The new Human League anthology is priced very highly too, 2 CDs featuring unreleased material, a DVD with all their BBC appearances and a book seems something worth buying but not for £70+ which it is currently listed at.

Reissues of one or two-cd releases may not fare aswell. I think I read somewhere that Supergrass' debut which was reissued as a triple CD last year didn't do great despite it being only ten or twelve quid. I was going to buy it but it didn't contain anything extra nice like a book, DVD or extra artwork so I just streamed it on Spotify. I'm surprised that labels don't put an exclusive window on reissues preventing streaming sites from using them at least during the first few weeks/months of sale.
What was so bad about the Verve reissues btw?

For Pulp maybe a career box-set then is more likely than individual deluxe/anniversary editions which might be more complete and better curated than another version of Different Class or even a We Love Life deluxe.

And Superdeluxeedition.com is great, containing news on a lot of reissues that would be of interest to those who are into artists whose heyday is behind them ie old farts! They send price alerts when stuff gets reduced too.

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It makes me think, you know. WLL could easily be stretched to 3 discs and a DVD/Blu Ray. You'd have original album as disc one, b sides, demos and radio sessions disc 2 and Magna performance disc 3. Also include the Eden project show and WLL videos on the DVD and you have a lovely deluxe package. Some of these deluxe editions are very niche, as I said. It seems as though a separate market exists for them outside the mainstream.

 

ETA I've just read my post back and I'd really love that package, sounds good to me!



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saw119 wrote:
inspirit wrote:

I agree with lots of the posters that mass market CD's are about dead now, and there is little financial incentive for major labels, 


 This gets bandied about a lot on quite a few forums I frequent and I'm never actually sure whether it's true or just people trying to convince themselves that it's true. I only mention it as I've seen a few things recently that go way over the top in terms of CD packages. I'm thinking firstly about those ridiculously deluxe The Verve boxsets that recently came out. It seems to me that the market for outrageous large boxsets must be stronger than ever. Simply look at Bob Dylan's forthcoming 36(!) disc boxset of 1966 live recordings. In fact just look at this website: http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/

Perhaps these deluxe sets are now a niche product? But surely if there was no money in them they wouldn't produce them? That's right isn't it?


True for me if not others.  I believe CDs still outsell vinyl by quite a way, and most probably outsell downloads, but I only tend to buy CDs when they are less than a couple of quid on Amazon/at the charity shop.  Mainly old CDs that never got a vinyl release.    



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saw119 wrote:

It makes me think, you know. WLL could easily be stretched to 3 discs and a DVD/Blu Ray. You'd have original album as disc one, b sides, demos and radio sessions disc 2 and Magna performance disc 3. Also include the Eden project show and WLL videos on the DVD and you have a lovely deluxe package. Some of these deluxe editions are very niche, as I said. It seems as though a separate market exists for them outside the mainstream.

ETA I've just read my post back and I'd really love that package, sounds good to me!

 

Yes, it does sound good.   We Love Life is probably the album that would have benefitted most from the deluxe treatment, but I guess it wouldn't appeal to much of an audience.



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I too like the sound of saw119's WLL.  But even a simple 2CD set in a basic jewel case with unreleased album session songs and a few live recordings from the period would be nice.  I expect everything is available to stream or download somewhere, but I stopped doing that years ago; I found I just stuck things in folders on flash drives, and forgot about them.  Physical releases are what work best for me.

CD's must be relatively cheap to produce, I guess the problem is that for major labels, these niche releases aren't worthwhile.  The deluxe releases are expensive, and have a high margin, but they need people with interest and passion to compile them - people working on small, specialist labels.  Vinyl releases are nice, but CD's are easier to use, and I've started to buy them again as second hand CD's are nice and cheap.  Back in the 90's new CD's were really expensive (£12-14 I think), and in the days before the minimum wage existed (and I subsisted on a miserably minimal wage) I couldn't afford them.  I started out with vinyl: I got all of Bowie's 70's albums for £2-3 apiece.  Different Class was only the second CD album I ever bought.  Now that vinyl is trendy again, new albums are often £20 or more, which puts me off.  Even the charity shop stuff has zoomed up in price.

As for WLL, maybe there is another problem?  Back when Pulp left Island, and went into hiatus, wasn't there something in the press about their contract?  I can't remember the details now, but I think the Pulp / Island contract had some kind of escalator in it, where the band royalty increased with each album.  For HnH and DC I guess they still had to pay a big chunk of their royalty to Fire, but surely they would be free of that by WLL.



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inspirit wrote:

Now that vinyl is trendy again, new albums are often £20 or more, which puts me off.  Even the charity shop stuff has zoomed up in price.


At the end of the last decade (the noughties) I used to work in Covent Garden near FOPP and they would regularly have stacks of deleted LPs for £3, whilst the Music & Video exchange and charity shops would have plenty for £1.  So I started buying them.  Nowadays the charity shops are pricing much the same LPs for £20 plus.  Only thing is they aren't really selling them.

Good time to be looking for old CDs.  Amazon have piles for 1p + postage and even the pound shops have piles of them.  However in my case,  I bought most of mine for £10+ back in the day...

I suspect the vinyl revival will be short lived.  Only so many reissued LPs you can flog at £20 a pop.   In about ten years, there will be no physical product as far as music, video and literature are concerned.   I can't even play my old VHS videos these days because I can't find a TV with SCART or Analog...   (SCART to component don't work either).



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I noticed that the TIH re-issue has Tomorrow Never DIES on side 4.  The sleeve and disc labels show LIES, but the track on the record is DIES (I think it's the same rough mix available on the deluxe CD).  I might make a note on Discogs - I wonder if the HMV early releases are the same as the general release (I'm a bit geeky about such things).

I didn't buy the Plain 2009 re-issue, which came out after the deluxe CD - does anybody know what's on there?

As for the end of physical releases, I'm not so sure.  Vinyl seemed to be dying in the early/mid nineties, yet here we are two decades on and it's still going.  I hear there is a fad for tape cassettes now; I think that will be short lived - as much as walkman's (or walkmen?) were exciting back in the 80's, the damn batteries never did last very long.  Look at how people keep using the old imperial measurements, in a few years everybody who learned that stuff in school will be dead, and we'll still be going on about feet and pounds.  There will probably always be enough stubborn hold outs to keep physical releases going.

For me, downloads just don't work.  I tried it from about 2005 for a couple of years, and I downloaded loads of stuff, that then just sat on a computer - I didn't listen to things until I burned them to CD.  Scanning through long lists of tracks leaves me cold, and I can't remember what I have, and thus spend loads of time organising things into folders.  Physical releases are evocative, I can shuffle about in my library, deciding what I want to listen to.

Further to the discussion about expensive deluxe issues, I see British Sea Power are seeking fan funding for a new album, and are offering a £40 special edition.  I'm a fan of BSP (after first seeing them supporting Pulp a couple of times in, er, 2001 was it?) but £40 seems a lot for an album, nice though it would be to support a band.  They are also offering an opportunity, perhaps a joke, to get lifetime entry to their gigs by paying £1500 for a tattoo (suggested location: your forehead).  And what if three months later, they develop creative differences?



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For me, downloads just don't work.  I tried it from about 2005 for a couple of years, and I downloaded loads of stuff, that then just sat on a computer - I didn't listen to things until I burned them to CD.  Scanning through long lists of tracks leaves me cold, and I can't remember what I have, and thus spend loads of time organising things into folders.  Physical releases are evocative, I can shuffle about in my library, deciding what I want to listen to.


99% of my listening is streams and downloads.   I have Amazon Prime which gives you free rips of all the LPs you purchase along with 100,000 other albums that chop and change a bit.  No ads like spotify.   I tend to listen to vinyl at home when I can, but am more likely to select an album/playlist on Amazon and leave it play.  Alternatively I just select off my NAS drive for the stuff that isn't on streaming platforms.    Only time I listen to CDs is in the car, and then they are with the MP3s burned on, so I can listen to the same disc in for months as I only drive once a month or so (it's my wife's car, my old Fiat Panda just sits neglected on the drive gathering cobwebs).



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