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Apologies if this is a stupid question, but does anyone know the real reason that Babies was left off the LP? It seems really really weird. It can't be to do with length because even if Babies was on side A, side B would still be longer.

It really annoys me because I always think of vinyl releases as the definitive version of an album, free from tacked on tracks etc. But this one can't be, as it's missing one of the best songs on the album!

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I seem to remember that it had to do with some unhappiness from the band about the remix. Babies is from well before the HnH sessions and weren't they a little unhappy at being asked to include and remix by Island records. Of course, it turned into a pretty good decision as it gave them there first TOTP appearance.

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In that case wouldn't their pissed-offness have extended to it being left off the CD and cassette versions?
I guess Island wouldn't have stood for that.

I wonder what the ratio of format was sales in 1994? About 5:3:2 CD/tape/vinyl ?



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Wasn't the whole re-release of "Babies" thing to do with trying to crack the US market but the release never materialised? Maybe they only planned the release the CD and/or cassette there

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calumlynn wrote:

Apologies if this is a stupid question, but does anyone know the real reason that Babies was left off the LP? It seems really really weird. It can't be to do with length because even if Babies was on side A, side B would still be longer.

It really annoys me because I always think of vinyl releases as the definitive version of an album, free from tacked on tracks etc. But this one can't be, as it's missing one of the best songs on the album!

 I suspect it wasn't on the LP because it was already on Intro.  Also cramming another track on the LP would have affected the groove velocity and made the last track on that side of the album sound worse.  

From 1986 or so onwards, most new CD releases had extra tracks on them, as was the practice with cassettes from about 1980.  I bought a lot of cassettes, which I never liked as much as vinyl,  in that period for the extra tracks.

Hardcore is an odd exception in that the LP has more tracks than the CD, but I would consider the CD the definitive version.



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Eamonn wrote:

In that case wouldn't their pissed-offness have extended to it being left off the CD and cassette versions?
I guess Island wouldn't have stood for that.

I wonder what the ratio of format was sales in 1994? About 5:3:2 CD/tape/vinyl ?

 Probably about 500:1:10



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Ha, I doubt that. For singles, I remember my pocket-money going a lot further buying a tape rather than CD. I'm sure that was the same with a lot of kids i.e. the demograph that buys singles the most. Albums may have been a different story but cassette walkmans were far more ubiquitous than CD discmans til the late 90's too.



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Eamonn wrote:

Ha, I doubt that. For singles, I remember my pocket-money going a lot further buying a tape rather than CD. I'm sure that was the same with a lot of kids i.e. the demograph that buys singles the most. Albums may have been a different story but cassette walkmans were far more ubiquitous than CD discmans til the late 90's too.

If anything I understated it with regards to vinyl, but it does seem like there were a lot of cassettes sold at that time.

 

Figures from US, but suspect UK has similar ratios

 

http://gloriousnoise.com/2013/album-sales-over-the-years-2012-year-end-soundscan-data

 

Compact Discs

 

1995: 368 million

 

Vinyl albums

 

1995: 794,000

 

Cassette albums

 

1996: 166.7 million

 

So about 400:200:1 for CD vs. Cassette vs. Vinyl Albums - Singles may have different, but not much different.



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And for the UK jury...

UK 1995 LPs 4.5million   Cassettes 56million  CDs 116.4million

There were 63 million singles, but no breakdown on format

http://www.zobbel.de/stat/wrs_9594.htm

Cassettes were more popular than I thought.   I suppose for those with walkmans and in cars.  Amazing to think iPods didn't even exist until 2001 and had little take up until 2004...



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I've done most of my listening to His'n'Hers over the years on vinyl, or (going back a bit) a cassette of the vinyl with Intro on the other side. I guess that's why Babies has never really felt like part of that album to me. It always feels a bit weird when I put the CD on and it just pops up in the middle. As it had been recorded and released 2 years prior to the album, maybe the band felt the same way?

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Sturdy wrote:

I've done most of my listening to His'n'Hers over the years on vinyl, or (going back a bit) a cassette of the vinyl with Intro on the other side. I guess that's why Babies has never really felt like part of that album to me. It always feels a bit weird when I put the CD on and it just pops up in the middle. As it had been recorded and released 2 years prior to the album, maybe the band felt the same way?

 I don't have that so much for albums post 1986, but I find it odd when older albums are reissued on CD and tracks are shuffled, remixed and speeded up. Often torn between seeking out the original LP invariably badly pressed on something akin to flexi disc or living with the remasters.   The move towards virgin 180g vinyl means LPs are far more consistent in quality.  I had given up on them for many years simply because I used to bring half of them back to the store due to production issues.



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I used to be a shedload of cassette singles back in the day. That's mainly because they used to get reduced to 49p in Woolworths - that's practically free! CD singles rarely ever got reduced that far...

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Stephen wrote:

I used to be a shedload of cassette singles back in the day. That's mainly because they used to get reduced to 49p in Woolworths - that's practically free! CD singles rarely ever got reduced that far...

Woolworth's bargain bin was always worth a rummage through.  Only place I ever bought cassettes as I'd never pay full price for them.  Got every Bowie cassette from Hunky Dory to Scary Monsters for a quid each when they decided to ditch cassettes entirely.  Most were OK and lived in my car until I finally replaced the tape player with a CD/DAB, but the Scary Monsters one had the wrong music on it.   

Out of interest does DAB work properly for anyone in a car?  With me it just keeps switching in and out, so much so I just tune to FM.  



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I've used DAB in a variety of places and it's always failed more than FM ever has. I find it odd that it's pretty much "forced" upon us now considered the amount of downtime it has...

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I always assumed it was tagged on after The Sisters EP release version became a hit but I say this fully aware that that is my own made up in my head explaination. I was just making the transition from vinyl to CD around then and also just discovering Pulp so I have the vice versa thing going on where if it's missing then the album does not feel complete to me.

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" I find it odd when older albums are reissued on CD and tracks are shuffled, remixed and speeded up. Often torn between seeking out the original LP invariably badly pressed on something akin to flexi disc or living with the remasters"

I've just encountered the reverse of this when listening to an old favourite for the first time in years - Adam & The Ants "Dirk Wears White Sox." It's always been odd to me how underrated it is, but it turns out the tracklisting Im familiar with is only on the 1995 reissue, and includes singles and b-sides with the other tracks in a completely different order. Thing is, the 1995 order is amazing, every track ends on a note which perfectly leads into the start of the next one. The new reissue restores the original 1979 tracklisting, and not only does that sound odd and wrong, it means that the group of people who love the particular album I love is significantly smaller than I previously thought.



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weej wrote:

" I find it odd when older albums are reissued on CD and tracks are shuffled, remixed and speeded up. Often torn between seeking out the original LP invariably badly pressed on something akin to flexi disc or living with the remasters"

I've just encountered the reverse of this when listening to an old favourite for the first time in years - Adam & The Ants "Dirk Wears White Sox." It's always been odd to me how underrated it is, but it turns out the tracklisting Im familiar with is only on the 1995 reissue, and includes singles and b-sides with the other tracks in a completely different order. Thing is, the 1995 order is amazing, every track ends on a note which perfectly leads into the start of the next one. The new reissue restores the original 1979 tracklisting, and not only does that sound odd and wrong, it means that the group of people who love the particular album I love is significantly smaller than I previously thought.

I have the 2004 reissue which is the original with all the singles on the end.  But that 1995 reissue is the same as the post fame Ants version which is probably the one most people think of as the original.  So maybe most people like the same album and I am in the minority



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