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Recently appearing on the wiki has been some early set lists.

Thought you'd quite like to see the originals..

Here's one from the Limit club (dated)



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Thanks, Jason. And thanks for both getting hold of these and making them available. First new finds in quite a while!

If anyone can work out the best way to get these on the right wiki pages, then that'd be appreciated too!

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And another..
George lV, Sept '81...



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It's awesome these have survived at all

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Absolutely, Superchob.

Not sure what the earliest surviving handwritten setlist was before these were found, but these are certainly the earliest surviving examples by quite a long way!

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Hallamshire hotel, 7th May '81..



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My favourite - and the earliest of them all! So, what do we think the original first track was?



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I'm guessing 'Band jam?

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I thought 'Blind Jam'.

Given that Jimmy Sellars told us that Refuse to be Blind was the same piece of music as Message to the Martians, but that he'd never heard Refuse to be Blind... And with this setlist being from his successor - Wayne's - first gig, it suggests to me that it captures a time when Message to the Martians was changing into its more familiar form. Perhaps during the first weeks of Wayne's time with the band it began to develop new words and, by the time of his first gig, was structured enough to be considered a set closer?



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Yes, could be blind jam..
I assume this is what eventually became 'thrash'?
The song titled 'what's the reason? Eventually became 'why live?
I love the title 'test of affection..
This era is massively under represented, save for a handful of live recordings and demos.
Which, if compiled and made available would be very welcomed and fill this history gap of magic.

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Whatever came of that early recording that came to light in Sheffield (Sheffield Steel ?) cant be sure of the title of the guy or owner who has it.

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I guess you're referring to the bouqet of steel find of that Marples show from '82?
If memory serves, the intention was to release it as a debut for their label?
I guess they couldn't get an 'ok' from Mr.Cocker or perhaps a bit incompetent in getting themselves organised.



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Thats the one - I knew there was Steel involved in the title somewhere! I dont think Jarvis would have had an issue regarding the release of the gig - especially considering the Peel versions of TMM, Wishful etc being on full release via an official cd. I know Jarvis used to be embarressed about the early stuff.

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Jason, I think Message to the Martians became Blind Jam and then became Refuse to be Blind.
Thrash is just an instrumental opener that seems to come in around November 1981.

And Scott, a few of us did try and engage with the Sheffield Music folk about the tape, but they wouldn't even let us know the tracklist! We did suggest that we could probably raise enough money to make it worth their while to let us have it - and offered other recordings in return, but to no avail. Concensus is that Jarvis may well have bought it up and so they don't have it anymore...but they don't want to admit that!

Yes, Jarvis has made the Peel sessions available... But they were never hard to find anyway, were they? Early live gigs where he's often out of tune and the instrumentation more amateurish might be a very different thing, however.

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Stephen, ah yes, i see what you mean with the martians transforming into rtbb..
It's certainly a possibility isn't it?
Scott, as Stephen says, the Peel session was a controlled bit of recording, the best they could do at that time.
I think Jarvis is suitably detached from this era now to be less embarrassed about it all.



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Fascinating insight all this is. I didnt realise that a few of you had tried to sort something with Sheffield Music - so its unfortunate that nothing came to light with that. I wonder if the owners of the Hallamshire itself would have anything archived away? I used to love going in there and soaking in the atmosphere of its glory days of the past. Wonderful building.

Yes - Peel session was obviouisly easily sourced - just a shame that the earliest things we have came to light through a Fire Records compilation ( the alternate mix of blue girls, spicy please dont worry )

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Thrash...
Yes, instrumental..



-- Edited by Jason on Tuesday 12th of June 2018 01:53:38 PM

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